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Old 06-16-08, 10:53 AM   #1 (permalink)
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'Pro-Life' Drugstores Market Beliefs

Is this what we have come to? I'm sorry, but this is just plain ridiculous. I can sort of understand why they wouldn't want to offer the morning after pill, but birth control? How friggen ridiculous! Birth control promotes promiscuity? Really? Is there evidence of this? *humongous eye roll*

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'Pro-Life' Drugstores Market Beliefs
No Contraceptives For Chantilly Shop

By Rob Stein
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, June 16, 2008; A01

When DMC Pharmacy opens this summer on Route 50 in Chantilly, the shelves will be stocked with allergy remedies, pain relievers, antiseptic ointments and almost everything else sold in any drugstore. But anyone who wants condoms, birth control pills or the Plan B emergency contraceptive will be turned away.

That's because the drugstore, located in a typical shopping plaza featuring a Ruby Tuesday, a Papa John's and a Kmart, will be a "pro-life pharmacy" -- meaning, among other things, that it will eschew all contraceptives.

The pharmacy is one of a small but growing number of drugstores around the country that have become the latest front in a conflict pitting patients' rights against those of health-care workers who assert a "right of conscience" to refuse to provide care or products that they find objectionable. . . .

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Old 06-16-08, 12:44 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: 'Pro-Life' Drugstores Market Beliefs

I'll join in on the humongous eyeroll, definitely.

The way I see it, on principle, I don't really have anything against a private business being ran the way the owner sees fit. It's their store and there's no reason why the governemnt should force them to sell certain products.

That said, I think that these type of pharmacies should clearly state on their front door that they are pro life and that they do not carry any form of birth control. Additionally, they should never, under any circumstances, confiscate a customer's prescription for birth control. They have absolutely NO RIGHT to do this. Third, they should be required to inform their customers of an alternate place where their prescriptions will be filled.

Also, it would be a good idea if local governments made sure that there's at least one other pharmacy that will fill ALL prescriptions within at least a 35 mile radius from the pro life one.
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Is this what we have come to? I'm sorry, but this is just plain ridiculous. I can sort of understand why they wouldn't want to offer the morning after pill, but birth control? How friggen ridiculous! Birth control promotes promiscuity? Really? Is there evidence of this? *humongous eye roll*
The MAP is really the same medication as the birth control pills with just stronger dosing instructions. I can't imagine not having birth control pills.

As far as birth control promoting promiscuity it most certainly does. If I didn't think I could have tons of safe sex in high school and later in college I probably wouldn't have had as much sex as I did. If each sexual act presented a real genuine risk of pregnancy I'd probably have been far less willing to put myself in that sort of danger. But with birth control I felt pretty safe more or less to the point that the risk seemed minimal and I took the task of taking birth control and using condoms seriously in order to enjoy the mental comfort of not feeling like sex was going to ruin my life. I believed I could avoid getting knocked up before I was ready, I had good reason to believe I could put trust in the pills, and they worked.

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Re: 'Pro-Life' Drugstores Market Beliefs

It looks like there are a number of other pharmacies in the area.

If this store owner wants to do it, fine. And while I disagree with his views completely, he's welcome to exercise them.

Now, the one thing missing from this story is how STUPID it would be to open up an independent pharmacy nowadays.

Small town pharmacies struggle
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The closure comes as the overall numbers of pharmacies in Minnesota are increasing. Chain stores though account for nearly all of that growth. Independents are declining in both the metro and rural areas of Minnesota.

Chain drugstores have several advantages over independents. They can offset low profit margins through volume. A chain store typically sells two or even three times as many prescriptions per day as an independent store. Plus, the chains sell more non-pharmacy items like gift cards, household goods and food.

(Former Independent owner and pharmacist) Mel Kroon plans to sample that economic reality by going to work for a chain pharmacy in the region.

In his new job Kroon said he will work fewer hours and earn 30 percent more than he did as an independent drug store owner.
(NOTE: I did find articles from 5-8 years ago stating that the Independent pharmacies were making a "comeback". The above article is from 2008)
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The pharmacies who engage in such behaviors should lose their license. When you enter the medical profession, you have an overwhelming obligation to deliver required care that overrides any other concerns. If you have reservations about doing that, you shouldn't be in the medical profession. These people are clearly putting their own beliefs above their duties as a provider of medicine. They should not be granted a license to sell medicine, as they have compromised their ability to complete their duties as a pharmacy.
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That said, I think that these type of pharmacies should clearly state on their front door that they are pro life and that they do not carry any form of birth control.
Then you support all other pharmacies posting a sign on their front door claiming that they are Pro-Choice pharmacies.

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Third, they should be required to inform their customers of an alternate place where their prescriptions will be filled.
When Wall-Mart turnes me down for an oil change becasue my car has a coolent leak, they are under no obligation to referr me to a place will change my oil with said leak.

The same principal applies here.

Get a phone book, go online, find it your self.

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Also, it would be a good idea if local governments made sure that there's at least one other pharmacy that will fill ALL prescriptions within at least a 35 mile radius from the pro life one.
Ah, so now I get to opose your argument out of my simple desire to see smaller government, and not out of any position on abortion or birthcontrole at all.
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Then you support all other pharmacies posting a sign on their front door claiming that they are Pro-Choice pharmacies.
Fine by me. Although I really don't see what purpose that would serve seeing as regular pharmacies don't discriminate against anybody and therefore don't need to warn anybody that certain products might not be available inside the store. But, hey, whatever makes the religious fundies feel better...


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When Wall-Mart turnes me down for an oil change becasue my car has a coolent leak, they are under no obligation to referr me to a place will change my oil with said leak.

The same principal applies here.

Get a phone book, go online, find it your self.
I fail to see how that compares to a woman urgently needing the morning after pill after she was raped. Nice priorities you got there, comparing basic car maintenance to much more dire human health care issues.


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Ah, so now I get to opose your argument out of my simple desire to see smaller government, and not out of any position on abortion or birthcontrole at all.
Cool. I have no beef with this. Was just an idea anyway.
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Fine by me. Although I really don't see what purpose that would serve seeing as regular pharmacies don't discriminate against anybody and therefore don't need to warn anybody that certain products might not be available inside the store. But, hey, whatever makes the religious fundies feel better...
There is no discrimination when everyone is held to the same standerd.

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I fail to see how that compares to a woman urgently needing the morning after pill after she was raped. Nice priorities you got there, comparing basic car maintenance to much more dire human health care issues.
Ah yes, same oll same oll, after making a falacious claim of discrimination you jump right to the extreme rarity and not the representative sample of costomers who buy condoms, all while compleatly ignoring my point.

A rape victim can find out where to get her MAP from the police station after fileing her report or from the doctor who gave her the perscription ( assuming the hospital itself doesn't have it on hand).

A private buisness should not be under any obligation to referr a costomer to a competetor who can or will offer a product and/or service they can not or will not perform themselves.

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There is no discrimination when everyone is held to the same standerd.
There is discrimination when a business decides to redefine their job description.

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Ah yes, same oll same oll, after making a falacious claim of discrimination you jump right to the extreme rarity and not the representative sample of costomers who buy condoms, all while compleatly ignoring my point.

A rape victim can find out where to get her MAP from the police station after fileing her report or from the doctor who gave her the perscription ( assuming the hospital itself doesn't have it on hand).

A private buisness should not be under any obligation to referr a costomer to a competetor who can or will offer a product and/or service they can not or will not perform themselves.
Hey, if you don't like extreme cases, I'll give you the very common 'broken condom' situation. Additionally, the BC pill is sometimes prescribed to treat certain conditions and not necessarily to avoid conception.

As for there being no obligation to refer a customer elsewhere, I totally disagree with you. When it comes to health issues there should be a moral obligation to assist people to the best of your abilities. And that includes not confiscating someone's prescription just in case they DO find a pharmacy that will have the audacity to fill it.
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Then you support all other pharmacies posting a sign on their front door claiming that they are Pro-Choice pharmacies.
They hardly are pro anything because they serve their clients. When a business serves the needs of its customers instead of imposing, or wanting to, their morality on others, it hardly needs to state so. When to opposite happens it is the moral thing to do. Or is it too much to expect that moral integrity from opponents of legal abortions?

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When Wall-Mart turnes me down for an oil change becasue my car has a coolent leak, they are under no obligation to referr me to a place will change my oil with said leak.
Actually they will offer to fix that too for you or will refer you to someone else. And even if they decline to fix it or work at all on your car it will not be because they are imposing their morality on you. There IS a difference.

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The same principal applies here.
No it is not.

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