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Guttmacher Report: Planned Parenthood is Not Replaceable

Absentglare said:
When this is the caliber of the opposition:

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Reason is not possible.

I wish the right was able to honestly acknowledge how valuable government services are to society.
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Some government services are necessary. National defenses, Police and Fire departments, etc. However we do not need the government to change our diapers from birth to the grave.
 
Scrabaholic said:
What does this page of msiquotes and quotes out of context have to do with the OP?
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One, they are actual quotes. Two, I just wanted you to know the history of the organization you support and defend.
 
ObamacareFail said:
Some government services are necessary. National defenses, Police and Fire departments, etc. However we do not need the government to change our diapers from birth to the grave.
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Agreed, but we probably should use it to provide birth control to people who will have sex but have no means or skills to care for babies. It's a lot more efficient to hand out a few BC pills to someone like that than it is to be stuck with figuring out how to keep her unwanted kid alive, educated and from growing up to become another ward of the state.
 
LaylaWindu said:
Being on the front lines of helping women, and the pro-life battle I have known this for about a decade. If it's news to anybody they simply aren't paying attention and have no interest in learning what is actually going on in the world. My prolife orgs go after "abortion" not attack healthcare. Every time the ridiculous singling out of PP comes up I'll just keep reposting this.
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Now this is actually a reasonable position to take on the issue.

If someone is pro-life, they should at least be consistent and support healthcare, birth control and some form of support for the born human beings who cannot fend for themselves.
 
Removable Mind said:
Gezzzus, all of this blabbering and you still don't know what you're talking about. PP will continue to utilize your few pennies of taxes - if you pay at all.
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PP on average gets 500 million from taxpayers. I suppose you could say that each individual citizen isn't paying much for PP, but all together they are paying quite a bit.
 
Removable Mind said:
Gezzzus, all of this blabbering and you still don't know what you're talking about. PP will continue to utilize your few pennies of taxes - if you pay at all.
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If its only a few pennies, then why not end government involvement?
 
Eric7216 said:
I agree with the first statement and clearly when (or if?) a man went to PP a woman would not be part of the decision making normally. We have hospitals and clinics that can offer all of PP's services and it would seem more appropriate to spend that $525 million or so of public money on those institutions, rather than one that was established for women and catered to women.
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No, it would NEVER be appropriate. Hospitals are high ticket high overhead businesses. Clinics are not nearly so expensive.
 
Henrin said:
PP on average gets 500 million from taxpayers. I suppose you could say that each individual citizen isn't paying much for PP, but all together they are paying quite a bit.
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And how much do other medical institutions , doctors, labs, clinics, etc get from a taxpayer?


Your are narrowing your problem to PP when we all know that your issue is much more general in terms of health care.
 
Henrin said:
PP on average gets 500 million from taxpayers. I suppose you could say that each individual citizen isn't paying much for PP, but all together they are paying quite a bit.
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Of course 500 million is cheap price to pay when amortized per taxpayer.

The real math involved eludes those who oppose PP. PP saves way more tax outlay than it takes in because it's primary services are in PREVENTION! And prevention of many, many unwanted pregnancies, STD's, and other sexual health issues - for men as well as women.

But those who oppose PP can't be honest with themselves, or anyone else, about the good it does. Or how much it saves the taxpayers vs costs them. They deny the unnecessary serious public health issues that would exist without PP.

Nobody is forced to go to PP for any of their services. But those who use the services are condemned because they don't comply with the moral standards that so/called pro-life claim to have. Therein lies a true irony. Guess we should really call them "The sinless".

But in reality a lot pro-life use PP for birth control to prevent unwanted pregnancies. Even catholic women.
 
Removable Mind said:
Of course 500 million is cheap price to pay when amortized per taxpayer.

The real math involved eludes those who oppose PP. PP saves way more tax outlay than it takes in because it's primary services are in PREVENTION! And prevention of many, many unwanted pregnancies, STD's, and other sexual health issues - for men as well as women.

But those who oppose PP can't be honest with themselves, or anyone else, about the good it does. Or how much it saves the taxpayers vs costs them. They deny the unnecessary serious public health issues that would exist without PP.

Nobody is forced to go to PP for any of their services. But those who use the services are condemned because they don't comply with the moral standards that so/called pro-life claim to have. Therein lies a true irony. Guess we should really call them "The sinless".

But in reality a lot pro-life use PP for birth control to prevent unwanted pregnancies. Even catholic women.
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Opposing birth control and abortion can only be justified if someone opposes sex for anything other than procreation.
 
Fletch said:
If its only a few pennies, then why not end government involvement?
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Really? Why not consider your small amount paid out of you taxes as a worthwhile contribution that actually reduces the tax burden rather than adds to it?

Be rest assured that PP doesn't exist just to piss off the self righteous, sanctimonious hypocrites whose vices are more costly than the tax money invested in the prevention of untold numbers of unwanted pregnancies and STD's. Men also use PP for sexual health reasons and pregnancy prevention.
 
calamity said:
Opposing birth control and abortion can only be justified if someone opposes sex for anything other than procreation.
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Think that pro-life advocates are sworn to celibacy except when they want to create another little pro-life advocate?

No wonder they are pissed off at everything and everybody! :lamo
 
Removable Mind said:
Really? Why not consider your small amount paid out of you taxes as a worthwhile contribution that actually reduces the tax burden rather than adds to it?

Be rest assured that PP doesn't exist just to piss off the self righteous, sanctimonious hypocrites whose vices are more costly than the tax money invested in the prevention of untold numbers of unwanted pregnancies and STD's. Men also use PP for sexual health reasons and pregnancy prevention.
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If its such a great and noble cause then money will flow there freely and not have to be confiscated by force from taxpayers.
 
Fletch said:
If its such a great and noble cause then money will flow there freely and not have to be confiscated by force from taxpayers.
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You understand this argument completely falls apart unless of course you are against all taxes. Once you show subjective biased the argument for things you are ok taxes going to its integrity falls apart. Maybe, at best it could have some integrity if you are against tax money going to any and everything healthcare related. Are you against all taxes?
 
Removable Mind said:
Of course 500 million is cheap price to pay when amortized per taxpayer.

The real math involved eludes those who oppose PP. PP saves way more tax outlay than it takes in because it's primary services are in PREVENTION! And prevention of many, many unwanted pregnancies, STD's, and other sexual health issues - for men as well as women.

But those who oppose PP can't be honest with themselves, or anyone else, about the good it does. Or how much it saves the taxpayers vs costs them. They deny the unnecessary serious public health issues that would exist without PP.

Nobody is forced to go to PP for any of their services. But those who use the services are condemned because they don't comply with the moral standards that so/called pro-life claim to have. Therein lies a true irony. Guess we should really call them "The sinless".

But in reality a lot pro-life use PP for birth control to prevent unwanted pregnancies. Even catholic women.
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What it saves in terms of welfare costs is up to debate, and if I'm being frank, doesn't matter to me. The more welfare costs, the more I have to use against it, and thus, I better chance I have to limit it. What we do know is that on average Planned Parenthood makes 1.3 billion in revenues and 500 million of that comes from taxpayers.
 
Henrin said:
What it saves in terms of welfare costs is up to debate, and if I'm being frank, doesn't matter to me. The more welfare costs, the more I have to use against it, and thus, I better chance I have to limit it. What we do know is that on average Planned Parenthood makes 1.3 billion in revenues and 500 million of that comes from taxpayers.
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Dude, it is a non profit.
 
Henrin said:
I would love if people would stop trying to make cases for why this or that group should get public assistance.
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Let 'em die is all you can add? I thought you were Pro-life? Or is that only when you force a women to have a child they don't want.
 
ObamacareFail said:
You do not know anything of the sort or you would post it. You are just on your own assuming they are out of context for know other reason then that you support Planned Parenthood. Yet you are too lazy to defend that.
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No, I am just not interested in debunking ignorant partisan hackery. Margaret Sanger has been debated countless times here. A simple search could inform if only you were interested. That you choose ignorance instead of educating yourself is your problem not mine.
 
prometeus said:
No, I am just not interested in debunking ignorant partisan hackery. Margaret Sanger has been debated countless times here. A simple search could inform if only you were interested. That you choose ignorance instead of educating yourself is your problem not mine.
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Correct. You'd just be wasting your time trying to present logic and facts to someone named ObamacareFail.
 
iguanaman said:
Let 'em die is all you can add? I thought you were Pro-life? Or is that only when you force a women to have a child they don't want.
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Well, I'm not pro-life, so..
 
iguanaman said:
Let 'em die is all you can add? I thought you were Pro-life? Or is that only when you force a women to have a child they don't want.
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Contrary to what LWNJ may believe, pro-socialism is not a component whatsoever of being pro-life.

The right to life is not an entitlement to the property of others; it is the basis for laws against taking your life in aggression.
 
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