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Guttmacher Report: Planned Parenthood is Not Replaceable

More of the usual ignorant banter. THEY do not depend on government support. Many of the women who go to PP do.

If she is correct that hospitals would go out of business without governmental support then these hospitals she speaks of do in fact depend on government support.
 
Usually it is not just the woman who wants to have sex. You do understand that. Correct?

Yeah, so? She should go to the man involved in this sex of hers for help, not me.
 
Nonsense. For every woman receiving birth control from PP, a male or two or three benefits.
Well, you may be right. I tried to find data on the breakdown of users of PP and could not. Do you have a source for your claim?
Their website has 4 photos scrolling. One is of a building and the other 3 only show women. The first paragraph in the About US section states:
In October 2016, Planned Parenthood turned 100 years strong. Planned Parenthood was founded on the revolutionary idea that women should have the information and care they need to live strong, healthy lives and fulfill their dreams — no ceilings, no limits. Learn more about how 100 years of care, education, and activism have changed everything. - See more at: https://www.plannedparenthood.org/about-us/who-we-are#sthash.OaE6bbUK.dpuf

It looks like a discriminatory organization. I support the rights of people to have a discriminatory organization but oppose public funding for them generally.

https://www.plannedparenthood.org/
 
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It is fact, you are attempting to rationalize the uneducated position you hold.

Nobody gives a crap what you care about. Society does not run on such ignorance.

It doesn't matter to me even in the slightest if the government wants to claim it is merely a reimbursement. I don't care and it doesn't matter.
 
To fix that try visiting a gynecologist.
No reason to get that specific. There should not be discriminatory public spending on overall health but it seems clearly appropriate to spend differently on different procedures. There are scientific difference between the sexes.
 
Yeah, so? She should go to the man involved in this sex of hers for help, not me.

You're just jealous because you ain't getting any.
 
Well, you may be right. I tried to find data on the breakdown of users of PP and could not.
Their website has 4 photos scrolling. One is of a building and the other 3 only show women. The first paragraph in the About US section states:


It looks like a discriminatory organization. I support the rights of people to have discriminatory organization but oppose public funding for them generally.

https://www.plannedparenthood.org/

You do understand that if a woman who visits Planned Parenthood is having sex which requires birth control, there is a man involved who is benefiting from PP. Correct?
 
If she is correct that hospitals would go out of business without governmental support then these hospitals she speaks of do in fact depend on government support.
I was referring specifically to PP, but to address your broader point, not necessarily, they could just demand payment up front and let all those who can not pay just suffer or die. That would be in line with your position.
 
It doesn't matter to me even in the slightest if the government wants to claim it is merely a reimbursement.
It is not a claim it is fact. Poor women by law are entitled to certain services which PP provides just like countless other places. Why is it for you so difficult to grap this simple fact, even if you are against government assistance? Do you really think that dishonesty can make a difference in your arguments?

I don't care
Every one on this board already knows that. You prefer suffering and death for the poor.

and it doesn't matter.
Actually it does since we no longer live in a barbaric society where some can be cast aside because they lack money.
 
No reason to get that specific. There should not be discriminatory public spending on overall health but it seems clearly appropriate to spend differently on different procedures. There are scientific difference between the sexes.
NO, REALLY? So you just want finances to somehow level the playing field.
 
You do understand that if a woman who visits Planned Parenthood is having sex which requires birth control, there is a man involved who is benefiting from PP. Correct?
You do understand that Roe v Wade made such visits a matter of privacy between the patient and the medical facility, with no require to meet any requests by the men involved? It is a private discussion and males rights are excluded from the process. You assume that there is a benefit to the man. There may be but there is also the possibility that the man is "harmed". And even writing that last sentence indicates, to me anyway, about the wrongness of your statement. The PP has almost nothing to do with the male's wishes.
 
You do understand that Roe v Wade made such visits a matter of privacy between the patient and the medical facility, with no require to meet any requests by the men involved? It is a private discussion and males rights are excluded from the process. You assume that there is a benefit to the man. There may be but there is also the possibility that the man is "harmed". And even writing that last sentence indicates, to me anyway, about the wrongness of your statement. The PP has almost nothing to do with the male's wishes.

Hey, IMO, if I get woman pregnant who wants an abortion, and she seeks one out without telling me---she did me a HUGE favor. So, I benefit. Greatly.
 
Then they need to arrive at a better business model that isn't dependent on government support. :shrug:

You mean, most US hospitals?

You find some place that does that and get your medical care there. I am ok with you doing that,
 
Sure looks that way.

Yep. He is free to benefit from women getting birth control from PP. All he needs to do is find a way to get one to like him.
 
You do understand that Roe v Wade made such visits a matter of privacy between the patient and the medical facility, with no require to meet any requests by the men involved? It is a private discussion and males rights are excluded from the process. You assume that there is a benefit to the man. There may be but there is also the possibility that the man is "harmed". And even writing that last sentence indicates, to me anyway, about the wrongness of your statement. The PP has almost nothing to do with the male's wishes.

Why would one person have authority over another person's health care decisions (with obvious exceptions of people incapable of consent)

When a man goes into Planned Parenthood for care, a woman is not asked to be part of his decisions.
 
Set the ignorance and stupidity aside. They are being reimbursed for services rendered and rightfully so, since society is not made of selfish ignorant jerks who would see rather see poor people suffer.

The opposite argument could be made that society at least in part made up of selfish ignorant ignorant jerks that would rather spend other peoples money than their own for causes they support.
 
Yeah, so? She should go to the man involved in this sex of hers for help, not me.

You keep on talking like it is all about PP and sex.

But really and truly you are talking about all government subsidized anything. Whether it is a pelvic exam or cancer treatment,
 
The opposite argument could be made that society at least in part made up of selfish ignorant ignorant jerks that would rather spend other peoples money than their own for causes they support.

The report makes it very clear that PP providing these services saves us money. It's the principle of a dollar of prevention saves hundreds of dollars worth of ramifications if left ignored.

Look, at some point you all have to look outside your little bubble. Let me give you a glimpse of the dystopian future you all promote.

Right Wing Utopia: Shut down PP and ban abortion. Suddenly women of little or no means start popping out babies by the dozen like they do in a third world country. Next, cut off child welfare programs which is a pipe dream of so many of you all. So, now these babies start dying like flies as they do in one of those ****holes we all see show up on TV now and then.
 
The report makes it very clear that PP providing these services saves us money. It's the principle of a dollar of prevention saves hundreds of dollars worth of ramifications if left ignored.

Look, at some point you all have to look outside your little bubble. Let me give you a glimpse of the dystopian future you all promote.

Right Wing Utopia: Shut down PP and ban abortion. Suddenly women of little or no means start popping out babies by the dozen like they do in a third world country. Next, cut off child welfare programs which is a pipe dream of so many of you all. So, now these babies start dying like flies as they do in one of those ****holes we all see show up on TV now and then.

I've got no dog in the abortion hunt. Neither do I buy the babies start dying like flies argument. You can't afford them, don't have them.\

I do have a dog in the who pays for what hunt. Planned parenthood should not be funded with taxpayers money.
 
I've got no dog in the abortion hunt. Neither do I buy the babies start dying like flies argument. You can't afford them, don't have them.\

I do have a dog in the who pays for what hunt. Planned parenthood should not be funded with taxpayers money.

Who pays for all the pregnancies and babies born to those women with little or no means currently avoiding pregnancy by receiving subsidized BC?
 
Who pays for all the pregnancies and babies born to those women with little or no means currently avoiding pregnancy by receiving subsidized BC?

Who does? Or who should?
 
A Guttmacher Institute report released today shows that Planned Parenthood health centers are critical to the health care safety net.
Of course they are. :roll: But hey, you know what? If the government defunds them, you and your liberal pals that love this organization so much can step up to the plate, open your own wallets for once, and make up for the lost funding.
 
Who pays for all the pregnancies and babies born to those women with little or no means currently avoiding pregnancy by receiving subsidized BC?

You and people like you who claim to care.
 
I was referring specifically to PP, but to address your broader point, not necessarily, they could just demand payment up front and let all those who can not pay just suffer or die. That would be in line with your position.

There is a law against that, so no, they can't.
 
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