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Life of Mother, Rape

Just more dumpster fire fisking I see. Nope!
 
JayDubya said:
When you engage in sexual reproduction, you just might reproduce. It ain't rocket surgery, fam.
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Might is not will. Hence an accident is not consent. You might die while driving to work today. Does that mean you consent to being broadsided as you go through a green light when some nut blows the red?

Clearly the woman who was raped and ended up pregnant did not consent to anything. She neither consented to sex with the rapist nor did she consent to the invader attaching itself to her uterus. Why should she not kill the ****ing thing?


I notice you follow several logical fallacies. Number one, and this is the biggest, you seem to think there is some objective truth. There is no such thing. Truth is subjective. The closes we can come to objective truth is consensus. Consensus like laws, which you seem to reject, are the best measure of what is truth.

You may be too much of an ideologue to handle nuance and subjective truth. This would explain why you encounter so much trouble in here. It's your party. Just my 2 cents.
 
AGENT J said:
Doesnt really matter those two arent taken seriously by people. lol
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It's still funny when posts are based on lies, false narrative or strawmen though.
 
GEIxBattleRifle said:
Besides the usual projection,

You're not pro life since you support abortion in cases of rape and incest.

It's not that hard to accept.
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1/28/17 Still pro life and you have yet to prove otherwise :) Thanks for proving me right and showing how fun this will be. Please post your proof now, we are waiting.
 
LaylaWindu said:
1/28/17 Still pro life and you have yet to prove otherwise :) Thanks for proving me right and showing how fun this will be. Please post your proof now, we are waiting.
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It is nobody's business what a woman does with her body.
 
LaylaWindu said:
1/28/17 Still pro life and you have yet to prove otherwise :) Thanks for proving me right and showing how fun this will be. Please post your proof now, we are waiting.
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The proof is you said you support abortion in cases of rape and incest thus that makes you no pro lifer.
 
GEIxBattleRifle said:
The proof is you said you support abortion in cases of rape and incest thus that makes you no pro lifer.
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Wrong, you lose again HAHAHAHAHA Millions of prolifers are ok with the law allowing abortion in the case of rape. :shrug: The fun continues, try again! Nobody cares about your asinine opinions that you want to be fact but simply aren't :) SO please post your proof, we are waiting.
 
LaylaWindu said:
Wrong, you lose again HAHAHAHAHA Millions of prolifers are ok with the law allowing abortion in the case of rape. :shrug: The fun continues, try again! Nobody cares about your asinine opinions that you want to be fact but simply aren't :) SO please post your proof, we are waiting.
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Anyone can read your post history and it indicates you support abortion in cases of rape and incest thus it makes you no pro lifer.

It's very crystal clear.
 
GEIxBattleRifle said:
Anyone can read your post history and it indicates you support abortion in cases of rape and incest thus it makes you no pro lifer.

It's very crystal clear.
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Sweet the fun continue! Yes it is very crystal clear that you keep presenting your wrong opinions about my posts and the views of millions of pro lifers but I asked you for facts and proof. Another thing that is crystal clear is that you have no proof and your posts look more imbeclic each and every time. Now please proceed and continue the fun, post your proof, we are waiting :)
 
year2late said:
My point is for those pro-lifers that say abortion if ever allowed is only to save the life of the mother. On this board, we have members that insist that means it is only for women that are in the throws of death.
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And you think it is if there is any chance (which is all pregnancies)?
 
LaylaWindu said:
Sweet the fun continue! Yes it is very crystal clear that you keep presenting your wrong opinions about my posts and the views of millions of pro lifers but I asked you for facts and proof. Another thing that is crystal clear is that you have no proof and your posts look more imbeclic each and every time. Now please proceed and continue the fun, post your proof, we are waiting :)
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This kind of reminds me of the situations where some Christians say that other Christians are not real Christians.;)
 
year2late said:
I am not sure what you are saying asking.
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Life of the mother is every pregnancy. This is partly why the phrase means nothing and can be subjective and silly.
 
scatt said:
Life of the mother is every pregnancy. This is partly why the phrase means nothing and can be subjective and silly.
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I have no clue what you are asking.
 
year2late said:
This kind of reminds me of the situations where some Christians say that other Christians are not real Christians.;)
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At least in this case since there's no factual guidelines so he can feel his opinion is fact even though it's not. In the case of the christians dumb enough to tell other christians they are not christians it's worse because based on the rules they have no power to make that decision. It's one of the most stupid and hypocritical things a christian can do. It ranks right up there with something like Hitler wearing a human rights button. It's beyond stupid :)
 
year2late said:
I have no clue what you are asking.
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year2late said:
On this board, we have members that insist that means it is only for women that are in the throws of death.
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On this board, we have members that insist it means any women who might die from pregnancy (which is every pregnancy).
 
year2late said:
My point is for those pro-lifers that say abortion if ever allowed is only to save the life of the mother. On this board, we have members that insist that means it is only for women that are in the throws of death.
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Well... what else does "save the life of the mother" mean? It literally means that if you don't get the baby out -- the mother will die.
 
scatt said:
On this board, we have members that insist it means any women who might die from pregnancy (which is every pregnancy).
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My perspective. I used to be what you would call pro-life. ( Hell, I used to be a Republican as well;))

I got pregnant and had a myriad of complications. Some life threatening.

I was off work nearly 6 months due to complications.

I was expected to have an easy pregnancy.

That gave me insight. If I did not have personal resources (including social fallback) I easily could have found myself homeless or living in a shelter. On top of that, if I had no insurance (or crap insurance) with crap access to healthcare, since I felt well, my conditions would have been masked and treatment would have been delayed.

I became pro-choice because I have no clue what the individual resources the pregnant woman has. The reality is that a huge percentage of women who abort are living in poverty already. Others are working poor without insurance - too rich for Medicaid too poor to afford private insurance. On top of that, most women who abort already are struggling to care for a child at home.

My situation gave me insight into what really could happen...but I had a huge safety net. I kept my safe place to live, had good insurance, and hell...after 6 months I was even allowed to keep my insurance. I ended up deep in debt because of COBRA and medical bills.But I got out with my life and a healthy baby.

Having a safe place to live and the ability to keep the heat and water on....and having your born child(ren) be safe is seen as "convenience" issues by some.

So yes, many women choose to have their abortion knowing they lack the medical, social, and environmental, and financial resources to stay safe during pregnancy.

Knowing what I went through would I still have maintained my pregnancy? Yup. But I had the "luxury" of good insurance, a safe place to live, a good credit line to pay bills when the money ran out after the first 3 months (23 years ago, my Cobra was almost $1000!!!!About the same as my rent at the time.:shock:

My focus is less on abortion and more on advocating availability and financial accessibility of high quality birth control - preferably long term methods that are more reliable. I would like to see men have better options as well. Because no matter what a woman is using, any man who does not want to risk being responsible for a child should be using birth control as well.

YMMV
 
calamity said:
Might is not will. Hence an accident is not consent. You might die while driving to work today. Does that mean you consent to being broadsided as you go through a green light when some nut blows the red
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Not comparable. You do know there is risk of potential undesirable or unintended things happening when you go driving, in the case of the "nut blowing the red," they are responsible for their recklessness and the harm it causes themselves and you; civilly and possibly criminally liable.

Also the care a trauma victim receives to recover from their injuries is not comparable to a contract killing no matter how many times you falsely call the latter "healthcare."

Clearly the woman who was raped and ended up pregnant did not consent to anything. She neither consented to sex with the rapist nor did she consent to the invader attaching itself to her uterus. Why should she not kill the ****ing thing?
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The "invader," the "****ing thing..." is an innocent and helpless human being incapable of harming or attacking anyone, but your ridiculous bigoted hatemongering against the unborn is noted.

The rapist on conviction should be held financially responsible for all costs of the pregnancy. Whether the mother chooses adoption or not, the rapist should continue to be financially responsible with no visitation rights ever.

The percentage of all abortions performed for reasons of pregnancy caused by rape is a statistical blip.

So there are multiple layers of arguments - angles of attack - against legal abortion. Only one of those doesn't work in the rare case of a rape pregnancy, but the core human right to life is still present.


Truth is subjective.
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Absurdity. Subjective matters by definition do not deal in truth or falsehood.

Truth is objective.
 
Josie said:
Well... what else does "save the life of the mother" mean? It literally means that if you don't get the baby out -- the mother will die.
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So when? If you wait until she is in the throws of death....she could still die or face organ damage.

Getting real for a moment....if the woman was seriously ill (but not in the throws of death) a C-section would be performed if the fetus was at a viable stage anyway...same with the throws of death scenario.

But as a critical care RN (for over three decades).....you never want to wait until a person is actively dying to decide to act....it will always lead to better patient outcomes if you prevent the whole "actively dying thing".
 
year2late said:
So when? If you wait until she is in the throws of death....she could still die or face organ damage.

Getting real for a moment....if the woman was seriously ill (but not in the throws of death) a C-section would be performed if the fetus was at a viable stage anyway...same with the throws of death scenario.

But as a critical care RN (for over three decades).....you never want to wait until a person is actively dying to decide to act....it will always lead to better patient outcomes if you prevent the whole "actively dying thing".
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I don't know when -- I'm not a doctor. When the doctor comes in and says "Listen -- we have to get this baby out or she's going to die." That's when.
 
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