Why do some pro choicers hate it[W:45]

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minnie616 said:

If in fact we wish to talk about living being than it is even more questionable to refer to a zygote, an embryo or pre viable fetus as a living being.

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Sounds like more pseudo science to me.

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GEIxBattleRifle said:

Sounds like more pseudo science to me.

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Then you do understand that without the mother's oxygen, her digestive system, her excretion system , the embryo would grow in a disordly way and never become a viable fetus.


An embryo/ early fetus cannot even perform homeostasis. It is the woman's liver and the placenta that performs homeostasis before the fetus has its own liver.

An embryo does not have everything it needs to become a living being except nutrition and oxygen.

"if put in a purely nutritious environment, the embryo will multiply self-identically or in a disorderly way. "

Which means the embryo will only only keep multiplying the same type cells it already has and will not form or grow new types of cells that are needed for any of the organs for a fetus. It just keeps multiplying the same type of cells it already has in a disorderly way.

I do belive the embryo is a "potential " living being but according to the criteria of a living being in the article I posted the author does not agree that an embryo even has the potential thanks to only its internal factors.

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GEIxBattleRifle said:

Sounds like more pseudo science to me.

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The guy literally talks about life forces.

I mean I like Yoda too, but not a good source for information on IRL Earth biology.

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GEIxBattleRifle said:

Sounds like more pseudo science to me.

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The article talks about the mother's indisputable role in growing the embryo into a viable fetus.

It is thanks to the mother’s digestive function that it receives the digested food it needs and it would not get this food if it had not been digested by her; it is thanks to the glycogenic function of the mother’s liver that it gets the glucose it needs; it is thanks to the mother’s respiratory function that the red corpuscles of its blood contain the oxygen it needs; it is thanks to the mother’s excretory function that it excretes the waste that would otherwise poison it.

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The Embryo Is Not a Potential Living Being - L'Humanité in English

Re: Why do some pro choicers hate it

minnie616 said:

Then you do understand that without the mother's oxygen, her digestive system, her excretion system , the embryo would grow in a disordly way and never become a viable fetus.


An embryo/ early fetus cannot even perform homeostasis. It is the woman's liver and the placenta that performs homeostasis before the fetus has its own liver.

An embryo does not have everything it needs to become a living being except nutrition and oxygen.

"if put in a purely nutritious environment, the embryo will multiply self-identically or in a disorderly way. "

Which means the embryo will only only keep multiplying the same type cells it already has and will not form or grow new types of cells that are needed for any of the organs for a fetus. It just keeps multiplying the same type of cells it already has in a disorderly way.

I do belive the embryo is a "potential " living being but according to the criteria of a living being in the article I posted the author does not agree that an embryo even has the potential thanks to only its internal factors.

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Not buying the rhetoric here Minnie.

Most of your line of reasoning was dealt with before in the past in a particular debate between ''promethus'' and ''FutureIncoming.'' So no need to really replay it out all here again.

Re: Why do some pro choicers hate it

GEIxBattleRifle said:

Not buying the rhetoric here Minnie.

Most of your line of reasoning was dealt with before in the past in a particular debate between ''promethus'' and ''FutureIncoming.'' So no need to really replay it out all here again.

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They talked about the disorderly way a pre-embryo will multiply if put in a purely nutrious environment outside the womb?
That once the pre embryo reaches 10 to 14 days it not longer can make different types of cells needed to form the organs of a fetus?

I must have missed that.

Re: Why do some pro choicers hate it

minnie616 said:

They talked about the disorderly way a pre-embryo will multiply if put in a purely nutrious environment outside the womb?
That once the pre embryo reaches 10 to 14 days it not longer can make different types of cells needed to form the organs of a fetus?

I must have missed that.

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Do I need to link the whole thing once again? It was a few months ago and you probably forgot everything that was said.

GEIxBattleRifle said:

When pro lifers categorize most abortions as a matter of "convenience?" I see some pro choicers get offended by it from my experience talking to them on forums and irl.

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Well, sometimes the decision to terminate a pregnancy is a lot more involve than just a matter of convenience. It could be a matter of health, welfare, or financial necessity. Hell, if having another child takes food out of the mouths of the born children someone already has, it may even be the best option--especially since you all typically refuse to support government assistance for those who cannot afford more children.