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Old 01-21-08, 04:40 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Pro-Choice Not Pro-Abortion:

I am not pro-abortion. I'd never advise that a woman have an abortion. I feel that abortion is a tragedy. I believe that everyone will one day stand before Almighty God and give an account for their choices and decisions. I firmly believe that women who abort will have to answer to God for why they aborted. However, I don't believe this is an area for the government to intrude upon. I believe the best policy is to allow the decision to abort to remain in the hands of individual women to decide with proper council. I read about a woman who was a devout baptist who was told that her unborn child wasn't going to be carried to term. The child was severely deformed. She was told that if the child died in her womb and they didn't extract it quickly, in her circumstance she could face infection and loose any chance of having a child in the future. She counseled with her husband and her pastor with much prayer. Both expressed to her that it was a tragedy and that they do not believe abortion is always the right thing to do. However, both firmly stood behind her and told her they would be there for her no matter what she chose.

The choice was left in her hands. It wasn't in the hands of some Washington bureaucrat. She wasn't required to jump through hoops to appease any governmental mandates. The choice and it's moral implications were left entirely in her hands. I believe that's the way it should be. We make life and death decisions every day. I was in the military and life and death decisions are made all the time. That's just a fact of life here on planet earth. The choice should ultimately lay in the hands of the individual woman. And she alone will answer to God for her choice rather it was necessary or not.
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Old 01-21-08, 05:11 PM   #2 (permalink)
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The people who use the term "pro-abortion" wont be hindered by any form of logic.
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The people who use the term "pro-abortion" wont be hindered by any form of logic.
This has been my experience...as well.
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Old 01-21-08, 06:09 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Re: Pro-Choice Not Pro-Abortion:

the problem is you aren't pro-choice either.

I'm pro-choice. I would allow smaller governments to choose for themselves how to best handle this issue.
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Re: Pro-Choice Not Pro-Abortion:

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I am not pro-abortion. I'd never advise that a woman have an abortion. I feel that abortion is a tragedy. I believe that everyone will one day stand before Almighty God and give an account for their choices and decisions. I firmly believe that women who abort will have to answer to God for why they aborted. However, I don't believe this is an area for the government to intrude upon. I believe the best policy is to allow the decision to abort to remain in the hands of individual women to decide with proper council. I read about a woman who was a devout baptist who was told that her unborn child wasn't going to be carried to term. The child was severely deformed. She was told that if the child died in her womb and they didn't extract it quickly, in her circumstance she could face infection and loose any chance of having a child in the future. She counseled with her husband and her pastor with much prayer. Both expressed to her that it was a tragedy and that they do not believe abortion is always the right thing to do. However, both firmly stood behind her and told her they would be there for her no matter what she chose.
Ahh yes, another person fallen under the trap of neo-liberalism. Not like there is anyhting wrong with liberalism, I myself, am a liberal, but I'am no neo-lib like hillary.

Your position mystifies me. If abortion is such a tragedy, then why do you support the legalization of it? Thats like saying murder is such a tragedy, but it should be legal because its the murderor's "choice".

You can;t be in the middle like this. You either support the govenrment legalizing it, or you don't. If your in the middle of the road, your going to get runover.
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the problem is you aren't pro-choice either.

I'm pro-choice. I would allow smaller governments to choose for themselves how to best handle this issue.
When "the situation" is my human rights, no. "The Government", whether large or small, will not "decide how best to handle it".

There's only one acceptable way to 'handle" it: by respecting the bodily sovereignty of all citizens, regardless of their sex.
Nothing else is acceptable. Nothing else will be tolerated, ever again.
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Re: Pro-Choice Not Pro-Abortion:

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When "the situation" is my human rights, no. "The Government", whether large or small, will not "decide how best to handle it".

There's only one acceptable way to 'handle" it: by respecting the bodily sovereignty of all citizens, regardless of their sex.
Nothing else is acceptable. Nothing else will be tolerated, ever again.
Smaller governments will eventually decide again if abortion involves the rights of more then a single person.

You don't get to hide behind nonsensical judicial review indefinitely.
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Re: Pro-Choice Not Pro-Abortion:

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When "the situation" is my human rights, no. "The Government", whether large or small, will not "decide how best to handle it".

There's only one acceptable way to 'handle" it: by respecting the bodily sovereignty of all citizens, regardless of their sex.
Nothing else is acceptable. Nothing else will be tolerated, ever again.
But you are better able to control the smaller governments than you are the larger ones. That's why the States are to have more power than the Federal government, because we as citizens of the free and soveriegn States have much better time controlling our own State governments than we do collectively on the federal government. If the Constitution didn't grant the power to the Federal government, it does not have the power; that is reserved for the People and the States. Your argument still holds up on the State level, but it's best to keep these things to the smallest government possible.

Also, leaving things for gods is stupid. If we're gonna "let god judge them" then what's the point of going after any criminal? Hell some cosmic karma will kick in eventually...right? They'll get their comeuppance. Murder, theft, extortion, etc...why should we do anything? Some god has it all covered, nothing to see here. Gods are inept at doing anything right in the human world (except for mass genocide) and we shouldn't rely on the power of imaginary beasts to provide punishment for people whom have done wrong in this world. Whether or not abortion is bad aside, it's pretty ridiculous to excuse behavior by saying some god's got us covered on it. Gods are stupid beasts which man no longer needs.
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But you are better able to control the smaller governments than you are the larger ones.
You mean you are better able to control small governments.
The government we have now is protecting my interests just fine.
I see no need for any change; whining at the big government that you'd like it to get smaller so that you can better control it is unlikely to produce any measurable effect, although that doesn't seem to stop you and your ilk.
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the problem is you aren't pro-choice either.

I'm pro-choice. I would allow smaller governments to choose for themselves how to best handle this issue.
The choice rests with the individual, not the government regardless of size. The government's only responsibility is to protect the right of choices of the individual to not be hindered by any 3rd party.
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