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Ohio Senate Passes Heartbeat Law [W:324]

Partsguy57 said:
Final post from me for at least the next several hours. I do believe you are at loss for words...... I would not want to touch that either if I were on the left side of things. We both know the left has zero tolerance for humor. Come join us on the right, life is much more fun and common sense rules... cheers.

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Bore - ing...
 
Removable Mind said:
Human life isn't just abundant, but thriving...despite all of its self-destructive behaviors.

If every woman on the planet declared today that they would no longer reproduce - I would support their decision.
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Partsguy57 said:
Well of course you would. I would expect no less....the women, you, decides who lives, dies, what's abundant, what's not, what has value, what doesn't, etc etc etc the question is do you get it? Someone else may decide what's abundant, has value, etc etc and you may not be included in that group. Think it can't happen? You don't know history then. Look around you see it now. Look at the 20 century alone, 50 million plus, were to abundant, not valuable, less then perfect. Etc etc wise up.

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Ikari said:
How did you get this from the statement you quoted?
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The conversation was going towards women deciding not to reproduce. RM was ok with this.

My leap into the conversation (and it was a huge leap)was when partsguy started talking about what ifs and what can happen. My leap was pretty much...and? If we are facing extinction because of women not wanting to reproduce...then what? I acknowledge it was a huge leap.

But it kind of goes to an ongoing theme of women who do not wish to remain pregnant being a baby factory for someone else.
 
Partsguy57 said:
You don't even understand what we live in. It's called a republic . Educate yourself on what that is and your argument falls to pieces. Lol lol

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Stupid people use the argument that we are a republic not a democracy. I'm sorry that you buy into that theory. We can argue Samantics if you'd like, but the fact is, if the vast number of Americans feel that abortion
restrictions have become too lieniet and wish to change them, then change will come. The fact that you try to demean my opinion by calling me uneducated, only supports why the Hillary supporters looked stupid about 3 am on November 9th.
 
Orly? said:
Yeah, infact I have been extremely good at it..

That's why the guy can get hit with child support and such.. What else do you propose?
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Use your brain.
 
EvaPeron said:
Stupid people use the argument that we are a republic not a democracy. I'm sorry that you buy into that theory. We can argue Samantics if you'd like, but the fact is, if the vast number of Americans feel that abortion
restrictions have become too lieniet and wish to change them, then change will come. The fact that you try to demean my opinion by calling me uneducated, only supports why the Hillary supporters looked stupid about 3 am on November 9th.
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Good evening, I didn't have time tonight to debate this as I'm playing in the shop. But there is a huge difference between the two and you saying we are a democracy is incorrect and your argument falls to pieces as when applied to what we are a republic. I'm sorry if you don't understand the difference, but it changes the argument. You are uneducated on this, but I never said you were stupid. These two are also vastly different. Cheers ( uneducated is very fixable, stupid is forever)

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Sigh . . . . I am prolife, I WANT more restrictions but I truly get frustrated over legislation that will simply get passed or tired just to eventually be overturned and make the overall goal harder and not easier.:(
 
EvaPeron said:
Stupid people use the argument that we are a republic not a democracy. I'm sorry that you buy into that theory.
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Obviously you do not buy into many facts, no doubt the reason why your post lacks so much in intelligent reasoning.

We can argue Samantics if you'd like, but the fact is, if the vast number of Americans feel that abortion restrictions have become too lieniet and wish to change them, then change will come.
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Right, and then restrictions on free speech and other liberties because enough stupid people will want them. Perhaps if you at least tried a free sample of the republic theory you would not make such poorly thought out post.

The fact that you try to demean my opinion by calling me uneducated
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Something easily remedied if one so wished. Education does not hurt, I assure you.

why the Hillary supporters looked stupid about 3 am on November 9th.
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Actually they only looked and remain defeated. Do you really believe that if enough stupid people make a decision that that somehow becomes a well reasoned one?
 
Mr Person said:
It is indeed true that they appoint other federal judges, but I cannot imagine that a law like this would simply get left standing at the circuit level. It's a direct contradiction of Roe if it bans abortions after about six weeks, and a huge one at that.
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How so? Roe actually put quite a few infringements on unlimited abortion.
 
Mr Person said:
It is indeed true that they appoint other federal judges, but I cannot imagine that a law like this would simply get left standing at the circuit level. It's a direct contradiction of Roe if it bans abortions after about six weeks, and a huge one at that.
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Gonzo Rodeo said:
How so? Roe actually put quite a few infringements on unlimited abortion.
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Roe prohibits bans on abortion before viability. Viability is generally at 22 weeks. The Ohio law bans abortions after 6 weeks. 6 is a lot less than 22, hence it directly contradicts Roe.
 
The states will keep on making laws that contradict the nonsense of Roe quite deliberately, and with good reason.
 
JayDubya said:
The states will keep on making laws that contradict the nonsense of Roe quite deliberately, and with good reason.
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Onward Statist soldiers eh Jay?

What's the fun of having a vast state security apparatus, local, state and federal, if you can't use it to interfere with a woman's medical decisions?

amirite?
 
Mr Person said:
Roe prohibits bans on abortion before viability. Viability is generally at 22 weeks. The Ohio law bans abortions after 6 weeks. 6 is a lot less than 22, hence it directly contradicts Roe.
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Not exactly. Roe guaranteed first trimester abortion rights, but allowed the states to infringe through regulation provided compelling interest during the second trimester up to viability.

PP v Casey did more to cement the so-called "right to abortion" during early trimesters, as it was the first case to solely address the rights of the woman; Roe was more about medical privacy and the freedom of doctors to practice.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Onward Statist soldiers eh Jay?
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I mean I don't know, fam, I like liberty and human rights, you like wanton slaughter.

Governments exist to protect the lives and property of innocents, not to be thieves of such and protect killers. You can keep that **** in your frozen barbaric hellhole.
 
Jetboogieman said:
So you support universal healthcare to help protect those lives right?
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More crazy talk from someone who isn't listening and can't comprehend. I explicitly addressed this.

TO PROTECT THE RIGHTS AND PROPERTY OF INNOCENTS NOT TO BE THIEVES OF SUCH...

Stealing from one citizen to pay for healthcare services for another is tyrannical and barbaric. If you want a service, you pay for it.



Any government that is so abusive of the rights of the human beings it should be protecting as to provide "universal healthcare" should be torn down by those people. You just so happen to like your chains, so you can keep them.
 
JayDubya said:
If you want a service, you pay for it.
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And if you can't, you die.

Just like the dying pregnant woman on the steps of the hospital, oh well, at least you got to sleep better at night knowing a first trimester abortion didn't occur and she was not permitted to get healthcare, dumb bitch shouldn't have been poor and got pregnant in the first place right?
 
Jetboogieman said:
And if you can't, you die.
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Maybe. :shrug:

Depends. Whether you do or not there's not a just role for government there.

Just like the dying pregnant woman on the steps of the hospital, oh well, at least you got to sleep better at night knowing a first trimester abortion didn't occur and she was not permitted to get healthcare, dumb bitch shouldn't have been poor and got pregnant in the first place right?
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As usual, you put "shoulds" in things where they don't belong to put words in other people's mouths, because that's just your core characteristic of fundamental dishonesty.

"Should?"

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What is, is.

If someone can't afford a good or service then no one is obliged to give it to them for free. Goods and services are exchanged on a voluntary basis, usually for money.

VOLUNTARY. People sometimes work pro bono, sometimes people donate goods, and sometimes other people are willing to pay. If they're not willing for any one particular case of a request for charitable aid? :shrug:
 
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JayDubya said:
Maybe.
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No, not maybe.

As usual, you put "shoulds" in things where they don't belong to put words in other people's mouths, because that's just your core characteristic of fundamental dishonesty.
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If you don't believe society has an obligation, as a collective to have some form of healthcare in place for those who can't afford it, what you're saying, even if YOU want to run away from it, is that people have a $ value attached to their life, and if you don't have that much money, well you should die, because that is what's going to happen sooner or later, from a very preventable cause in many cases.

Providing healthcare for the less fortunate = Barbarism for you.

A pregnant woman dying on the steps of the hospital because she's too poor = Civilized for you.

And you pretend that you give a crap about the baby in her womb.

You do not and you never have.
 
Jetboogieman said:
No, not maybe.
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Yes, maybe. Only in your crazed delusion is government the only solution to every problem. Every thing is a nail to one who only wants to use a hammer.

If you don't believe society has an obligation, as a collective
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**** society. **** collectives. We're talking about governments here and their obligation to protect individual human rights against aggression.

You want governments to violate their core reason for existence and seize property for no reason other than to give it to another citizen... in many cases, not even other citizens, but to send the fruits of our labor overseas.

what you're saying, even if YOU want to run away from it, is that people have a $ value attached to their life
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What I'm saying is this assertion, socialist, is ridiculous and fundamentally dishonest. There is no such dollar value.

and if you don't have that much money, well you should die
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Your words, not mine. I make no such comment about "should." This has been your lying, stupid claim (for going on what, a year now? More?) that I have ever said this "should" which does not exist and I have explicitly corrected many, many times yet you continue your harassment and lies unabated.

Your behavior is absolutely deplorable and you abuse the privilege you have as staff of this site.
 
JayDubya said:
Your words, not mine. I make no such comment about "should." This has been your lying, stupid claim for going on what, a year now, that I have ever said this "should" which does not exist and I have explicitly corrected many, many times yet you continue your harassment and lies unabated.
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And we find ourselves back at the beginning... You're not the only one that does this, you have views that would cause suffering on a massive scale to satisfy some ideological pillar that makes no sense, but you pretend there'd be no negative consequences of said views.

When in reality, while you profess and proclaim that you value the life in the womb, the reality is that you'd let, and we should really give her a name now, Lucy, die on the steps of the hospital because she doesn't have enough money because for your aggressive society you wish to propagate, she just didn't have the $ value necessary to live.

But that's ok, you slept a little better at night knowing she's dead on those steps along with the baby in the womb, but she did not get to terminate her pregnancy and really, that's all that matters right?

Lucy can get ****ed, dumb bitch.
 
Jetboogieman said:
And we find ourselves back at the beginning...
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We find ourselves at the same place every time, with you lying and trolling, not being censured for it, and not being able to be put on the ignore list where people who lie habitually and troll habitually go.

you pretend there'd be no negative consequences of said views
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:shrug: If there are, it's still better than the alternative of an absolute government. Again, you're comfortable in your chains, so you keep them.

while you profess and proclaim that you value the life in the womb
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I do value the lives of human beings and accordingly want governments to make laws against killing innocent human beings. This is the case for born humans, it is not the case for unborn humans.

I wish you could keep up with basic facts, it would make this easier. I guess you're just too caught up in emotional rage for that to be possible.

the reality is that you'd let, and we should really give her a name now, Lucy, die on the steps of the hospital
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That isn't reality at all. You don't know my history of charitable donations and volunteer work or my skill sets, and really you don't deserve to know.

doesn't have enough money because for your aggressive society you wish to propagate
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:roll: Learn what words in the English language mean before trying to talk to me any more about this, please (or preferably, just don't talk to me at all, ever).

Not selling someone a good or service when they can't pay you for it - NOT PERFORMING A VOLUNTARY EXCHANGE - is not mistakable as "aggression" by any rational person.


The rest of your usual emotional drivel is dismissed.
 
JayDubya said:
:shrug: If there are, it's still better than the alternative of an absolute government. Again, you're comfortable in your chains, so you keep them.
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I have less chains here than you do in the US, which one of our countries incarcerates more of it's people again?

I do value the lives of human beings
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Yes yes yes, you profess to, but in reality the society you wish to propagate attaches a strict $ value to the life of every person and if you don't have enough, you should die.

That's the reality of the JayDubya society.

That isn't reality at all.
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Your individual contributions are nothing compared to the aggressive society you'd unleash upon us all, Lucy's up and down the country would die by the thousand while you slept better at night knowing that dumb bitch didn't receive healthcare but did not terminate her pregnancy.

The rest of your usual emotional drivel is dismissed.
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Emotion is all you have Jay, the society you wish to propagate is nothing more than an emotionally driven ideological pillar you've created for yourself that makes no sense in the context of "Valuing Life".
 
Jetboogieman said:
I have less chains here than you do in the US
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Bull****. Speech, guns, higher taxes going to a even more bloated welfare state...

Yes yes yes, you profess to, but in reality the society you wish to propagate attaches a strict $ value to the life of every person and if you don't have enough, you should die.
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No, it doesn't, and you're lying.


That's the reality of the JayDubya society.
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No, it isn't, and you're lying. That's your Jetboogieman delusion - stupid, statist, and socialist - and you can keep it to yourself.

Your individual contributions are nothing compared to the aggressive society you'd unleash upon us all
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Idiocy. Learn English words BEFORE you use them in a sentence next time.
 
JayDubya said:
Bull****.
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No, not bull****, true :prof

No, it doesn't, and you're lying.

No, it isn't, and you're lying. That's your Jetboogieman delusion - stupid, statist, and socialist - and you can keep it to yourself.
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Yes it does, you just can't handle the reality if your own views. :prof

Which one of our views unleashes the vast state security apparatus upon the women of the country for private medical decisions that they may or may not make?

Idiocy.
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Logic :prof
 
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