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Liberal Logic

year2late said:
Here is the Dem Platform on guns




Question. Do you believe YOUR statement matches up with the Dem platform?
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Of course they can't define reasonable restriction to any acceptable level. Also, do you realize that assault weapons are guns?
 
Kobie said:
My biggest issue with conservatives is that they want to blame everything on liberals.
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That's probably because liberals have had their hands in everything.
 
moon1336 said:
Liberal Logic:

Anti-gun legislation will stop gun violence, but anti-abortion legislation won't stop abortions.

Yeah, doesn't make sense to me, either.
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Here's more:

Raising taxes on cigarettes will slow smoking.

Raising taxes on business will not slow business.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Conservative logic: Restricting access to guns won't stop criminals, but will only punish law-abiding citizens, but restricting access to bathrooms WILL stop criminals and WON'T punish law-abiding citizens.

Yeah, doesn't make any sense to me, either.
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It seems like the discussion should be on whether or not the bathrooms can be secured against surprise entree by the uninvited.

The unisex bathroom is a fact of life in Indianapolis. You see them everywhere.
 
Bucky said:
My biggest issue with liberals is they often use transference on deflecting blame.

Instead of blaming the really perpetrator, they often transfer the responsibility to an amorphous social issue.
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Kobie said:
My biggest issue with conservatives is that they want to blame everything on liberals.
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Yeah, there's some of that, but the reality is there are lots of things the liberal end of the political spectrum support that's not good, and typically, through some contorted logic, they end up blaming pretty much anyone that disagrees with their position, and also usually with a baseless and unsubstantiated claim of sexism, racism, or Islamophobia. :roll:

From my view both are illegitimate lines of reasoning.
 
eohrnberger said:
Yeah, there's some of that, but the reality is there are lots of things the liberal end of the political spectrum support that's not good, and typically, through some contorted logic, they end up blaming pretty much anyone that disagrees with their position, and also usually with a baseless and unsubstantiated claim of sexism, racism, or Islamophobia. :roll:
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Sure.

There's lots of things at the conservative end of the political spectrum that suck too, and they end up turning criticism of that into some sort of war on Christianity.
 
Dragonfly said:
If you can't see the difference then there's no use discussing it with you. (which is pretty much how all these abortion threads go)

Also - it's quite apparent that we (all humans) don't really worry about killing other humans in all different kinds of ways.
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Why don't you explain the difference then because I don't see it.
 
moon1336 said:
Liberal Logic:

Anti-gun legislation will stop gun violence, but anti-abortion legislation won't stop abortions.

Yeah, doesn't make sense to me, either.
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illegal abortions are usually unsafe unlike guns ,guns are always unsafe whether they are legal or not.but of course if anyone is allowed to own guns legally it is more dangerous than abortion
 
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year2late said:
Here is the Dem Platform on guns




Question. Do you believe YOUR statement matches up with the Dem platform?
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What sort of 'reasonable regulation' on abortion does the democrat platform support?
 
Kobie said:
Sure.

There's lots of things at the conservative end of the political spectrum that suck too, and they end up turning criticism of that into some sort of war on Christianity.
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True enough.

However, I'd allow that there are some arguments that are unfounded on that basis, while there are some that are legitimately founded on that basis.

For example:
It’s uncommon at Jesuit universities these days for someone to openly share a traditional Catholic viewpoint.

When it happened at Loyola Marymount University in Los Angeles, the school was so spooked it called the Los Angeles Police Department.

Both the police and the university’s Bias Incident Response Team are investigating the stated belief that only two genders exist, male and female, as a hate crime.

A Loyola alumni office employee discussed her views on sexual orientation, which align with the Roman Catholic Church, with three students who were hanging up posters on the subject on April 14.
Believing in two genders is a ‘hate crime’ under police investigation at Catholic college
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Is it not a Christian belief that there are 2 genders? (not to mention that it's backed up by actual biology and stuff).

Yet stating this belief is now categorized as a hate crime, investigated by both the local police as well as the university’s "Bias Incident Response Team" (whatever the **** that is - sounds Orwellian to me).

This does appear to be an attack on Christian beliefs, does it not? So objecting to this attack is legitimate, in your opinion?

My point being is that yes, there appears to be attacks on traditional Christian values and anyone that expresses them.

However, I also concede that there are cases where this connection and linkage is not done in a legitimate fashion.
 
moon1336 said:
Liberal Logic:

Anti-gun legislation will stop gun violence, but anti-abortion legislation won't stop abortions.

Yeah, doesn't make sense to me, either.
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Right wing logic:

Different things are not different
 
Lursa said:
Since you bring up society, please tell us how abortion harms society? Direct question, please give specifics.

Because it does provide some benefits to society and those are well documented.
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One abortion = no problem. 1,000,000 abortions = big problem.

Those missing people are now being replaced by the scum from Latin America. Do you know that one-fifth of El Salvador and a quarter of Mexico is already here and more are coming? They come here to overrun your schools, hospitals and prisons, and bring with them diseases, drugs and crime. What a deal.

On the list of the top 20 world's worst hellholes with the highest murder rates, 18 are south of your border with Mexico, which is wide open for cheap labor and to support the biggest Ponzi scheme ever - the Social Security system that is going broke unable to keep up with the aging US population. For comparison, during the entire WW2, the US casualties were about 500,000. Today, it takes only 6 months of war on babies to match that head count. BTW, do fetuses have heads?

Now, it's your turn to show us those mysterious and so well documented benefits to the society. Go.
 
Fletch said:
What sort of 'reasonable regulation' on abortion does the democrat platform support?
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The current Roe framework.
Fletch said:
Which is what?
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Whut?
Fletch said:
I had a feeling responding to you would be a waste of time. My mistake.
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Here you are in an abortion debate.....and you need clarification on what the current Roe framework is.

W...T...F.

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You could have gone with the "Roe is unreasonable" argument, which is WHUT I expected, instead you played dumb...I suppose as a test for me, as if I would bring up something I don't know or could not link to for extreme detail.

Cmon man.
 
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moon1336 said:
Liberal Logic:

Anti-gun legislation will stop gun violence, but anti-abortion legislation won't stop abortions.

Yeah, doesn't make sense to me, either.
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Well, I'm as liberal as all get-out and my logic tells me that laws don't prevent anything, cops don't protect anyone and anytime someone wants more laws or fewer rights, you're talking to a conservative.
 
Henrin said:
Of course they can't define reasonable restriction to any acceptable level. Also, do you realize that assault weapons are guns?
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Assult weapons were designed for military assult.
Not for hunting nor for protection.
 
Henrin said:
Makes literally no difference to the amendment in question.

Anyway..

The Truth About Assault Weapons
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TheGoverness said:
How about target practice?
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First of all let me state that I support the right of people to bear arms. Both hand guns and hunting guns.

Many of my family members are hunters and my DH owns a hand gun for protection (due to the business he is in he often carries large sums of money) and has a permit to carry a concealed weapon.

However, we (DH and I ) would support very limited access to assault weapons.
DH's cousin was kidnapped, tortured, and murdered execution style in a robbery attempt gone bad.

The murderers who killed DH's cousin in 1994 were only 19 & 20. Their stupid plan to rob Frank and get some quick money ( They were in the restroom getting ready to to go into Frank's office when Frank came in , saw and reconized them before they could put on their disguises) ended up costing Frank his life, his wife to become a widow. Frank had 2 adopted children and 2 foster children, many brothers, sisters, and extended families whose lives were affected forever.
Plus those 2 young men are now in jail for the rest of their lives with no hope of probation.

When the
police found Frank's body in his van , that they thought was abandoned , Frank still had his concealed hand gun hidden behind the small of his back. The murderers used asemi automatic gun on Frank and he never had a chance to use his hand gun to protect himself.
Thank goodness the two murderers were caught. Since they used an banned assault gun ( the Brady bill ) the judge was able to give them life sentences with no chance of parole.

I cannot help but think that the more assault guns that taken off the streets the harder it might be for the criminals to get a hold of one. If only a few lives are saved from the type of tragedy that our family suffered and that the families of the young victims in the latest school shootings by making these weapons more restricted.

BTW: Isaw the gun up close that killed Frank during the trial and I still have nightmares about it.
 
legalimmigrant said:
One abortion = no problem. 1,000,000 abortions = big problem.

Those missing people are now being replaced by the scum from Latin America. Do you know that one-fifth of El Salvador and a quarter of Mexico is already here and more are coming? They come here to overrun your schools, hospitals and prisons, and bring with them diseases, drugs and crime. What a deal.

On the list of the top 20 world's worst hellholes with the highest murder rates, 18 are south of your border with Mexico, which is wide open for cheap labor and to support the biggest Ponzi scheme ever - the Social Security system that is going broke unable to keep up with the aging US population. For comparison, during the entire WW2, the US casualties were about 500,000. Today, it takes only 6 months of war on babies to match that head count. BTW, do fetuses have heads?

Now, it's your turn to show us those mysterious and so well documented benefits to the society. Go.
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Are you saying that without legal abortion, those people would not be immigrating?
 
Socrates1 said:
And that doesn't make much sense either .

If guns kill people, then pencils misspell words, cars make people drive drunk, and spoons make you fat.
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Pencils can kill people...and words can incite violence. :shrug:
 
joG said:
If we allow so many to be killed by abortion, why worry about a few dead by guns?
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Conservative logic:

Save the fetus...but let the children die.
 
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