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Abortion Dress

SmokeAndMirrors said:
Positive abortion experiences are quite common.

They are typically not positive in the "I had a great birthday party" sense, but more in the "I did what I felt was right for me and/or my family and it was empowering to have my agency respected" sort of sense. And why shouldn't they be?

By its very nature, abortion is choosing to preserve your current life, rather than embarking on a different one. The positivity that goes along with, basically, keeping things as they are is naturally more subdued and more "sigh of relief" than "party."

But such positive feelings are very common. In fact, they're the most common sorts of feelings women report post-abortion.

Just because something isn't the sort of thing you'd choose to do on a Saturday night for fun doesn't mean it's not positive. All sorts of things can be positive, even if they are difficult.

In a country where women are still in very real and physical danger for admitting to having or wanting an abortion, I see it as quite brave.

This is something a third of American women experience at some point in their life, but there is so much violence against them that they hide it in self-defence, and most people -- especially men -- claim that not a single woman in their family has ever had one. Baloney.

This is part of a lot of women's reproductive lives. It usually isn't the most fun part, but it is common, important, and it's also usually positive. And we should be talking more about it from that perspective, because the simple fact is that it is part of a lot of women's reproductive lives.
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Brazen and brave are not the same thing. and a third of the women don't experience this. I know that's a tag that the Guttmacher Institutute has said but the statistics show its less than 1/4.
 
I love these kind of ideas. It helps me know who the scumbags are around me, so I know who to avoid like they are cancer. Thanks for the heads up!
 
calamity said:
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That is from a 2002 article.
As I stated between the years 2008 and 2011 the abortion rate fell 13 percent.

From a 2015 LA times article:
The number of induced abortions was 1.1 million in 2010, the most recent year for which statistics are available. That’s down from a high of 1.6 million in 1990, the report said.

The abortion rate also hit a new low in 2010, with 17.7 of the procedures performed per 1,000 women of childbearing age. That figure was as high as 29.4 abortions per 1,000 women in 1980.
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Abortion falls to record low in the U.S., CDC says - LA Times
 
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SmokeAndMirrors said:
Positive abortion experiences are quite common.
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Nope. It says "positive abortion EXPERIENCES"... what you are describing is a positive result by having an abortion. The experience of having an abortion is the point that you are missing... actually having the abortion. If anybody finds that experience positive I would question their sanity. As a guy I might have a prostate check that ends up positive but in no way is the "prostate exam procedure" a positive experience.
 
Chomsky said:
From the article:

"Twitter hashtag #ShoutYourAbortion that urges women to share their positive abortion stories online"

Man, I just can't imagine a "positive abortion experience".

I hope I'm not too far out-of-touch with this, because it's hard for me to fathom.

And to proudly proclaim one's abortion, by publicly wearing a descriptive article of clothing, strikes me as a bit bent.
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I suspect it's like a divorce in which the only regret is not having it sooner.
 
Scrabaholic said:
I didn't say consistent, did I?
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Well, then I should change the post that initiated all this "lots of pregnant wominz used birth control" nonsense.

calamity said:
I'm pretty much pro-abortion, in the "if you find yourself pregnant and don't like the idea at all, by all means get an abortion," sort of way. But, that said, I do not know anyone who went through it that was happy about it.

I saw it more like surgery after a pretty significant accident, like a collapsed lung or broken leg: something you gotta go through to get right but, "Damn! I sure wish I had been on remembered to take the pill" sort of thing.
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calamity said:
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Human's are incredibly inconsistent and therein lies the problem. When the (very) soon at the time, to be Mrs, dropped a pill then proceeded to step on it... we said well are we okay if you get preggers now? We decided yes and the hell if she didn't get pregnant. :lol:
 
Bodhisattva said:
Nope. It says "positive abortion EXPERIENCES"... what you are describing is a positive result by having an abortion. The experience of having an abortion is the point that you are missing... actually having the abortion. If anybody finds that experience positive I would question their sanity. As a guy I might have a prostate check that ends up positive but in no way is the "prostate exam procedure" a positive experience.
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Well, some guys *do* like that. lol
 
calamity said:
Well, then I should change the post that initiated all this "lots of pregnant wominz used birth control" nonsense.
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It's not just remembering. The pill is supposed to be taken at the same time every day, so if a woman sleeps in and takes it later than usual, that could affect it. Also, some medications ie. antibiotics interfere with it, so if she wasn't told about that and didn't use a backup contraceptive method, it could fail. (yes, I have known women who did not know about antibiotics and the pill) None of these scenarios are 'perfect use'.

Humans are not perfect and never will be.
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
Cheating is just about never random. Come now. And beyond that, you're just demonstrating my point: there's usually a choice or series of choices leading to the dissolution of something someone was invested in. A woman who aborts usually has no investment, and perhaps didn't even do anything wrong.

But at any rate, that usually isn't what happens anyway, which you know.
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No, I still disagree. Obviously our observations and reading on society and relationships are quite different.
 
calamity said:
Can't say I've had that issue come up with uncountable experiences with women on the pill, IUD, tubal ligations or my current vasectomy. So...not sure I'm buying.

By the way, your stats are whacked. The pill is 99.9% effective, when used correctly.
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I had a medication interaction. I was on the pill and the medication I took was found out later to be a no no with BCP. That was not known at the time.
 
SocialD said:
Brazen and brave are not the same thing. and a third of the women don't experience this. I know that's a tag that the Guttmacher Institutute has said but the statistics show its less than 1/4.
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So by "statistics," you mean "only statistics that agree with my pre-existing bias"? Because, actually, pretty much all statistics conducting with anything resembling decent sampling methods say that the vast majority of women are happy with their abortion both personally and experientially.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Nope. It says "positive abortion EXPERIENCES"... what you are describing is a positive result by having an abortion. The experience of having an abortion is the point that you are missing... actually having the abortion. If anybody finds that experience positive I would question their sanity. As a guy I might have a prostate check that ends up positive but in no way is the "prostate exam procedure" a positive experience.
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Positive experiences are even more common than positive results. Over 95% have a "highly satisfied" view of their procedure.

It's a fairly straight-forward procedure that is usually far less painful than most women have been led to believe by propaganda -- it's much like getting an IUD, in most early elective abortion situations. And women who have medical abortions report even higher satisfaction, due to the private and self-paced nature of the at-home medication regime. When something goes better than one thinks it will, one tends to feel positively about it.

Of course, no one is expecting an abortion to feel like having a massage. But that doesn't mean it can't be thought of as a positive experience if it is much more comfortable than expected, you are treated well by staff, or you feel more safe and empowered by having the option to do the abortion yourself at home in your own way.

And a lot of women also start to feel physically better and healthier after the abortion within a very short period of time (same day, sometimes even within a couple hours). Abortion ends the symptoms of pregnancy very quickly, which are sometimes considerably worse than whatever discomfort they experience during the abortion. For a woman who doesn't want to be pregnant, that's hugely positive too.

Obviously pretty much all women would prefer not to need the abortion in the first place. But given that they're already in a situation where they do, the unexpected level of comfort and the speedy recovery from feeling ill are positive.
 
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calamity said:
You're preaching to the choir on this, Minnie.
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Well, perhaps the choir needs to reminded more women are using better more effective birth control because they do want to experience an unwanted pregnancy.

The best way to reduce abortions is not to become pregnant when one does not wish to give birth to a child.
 
minnie616 said:
Well, perhaps the choir needs to reminded more women are using better more effective birth control because they do want to experience an unwanted pregnancy.

The best way to reduce abortions is not to become pregnant when one does not wish to give birth to a child.
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Of course. Again, you're preaching to the choir. I most certainly am in favor of birth control--the more the merrier, free and easily accessible for all who want it.
 
Fearandloathing said:
I doubt this is a fad breaking like a wave across the country. Above I noted the drink in her left hand, but not the glaze in her eyes. This woman's elevator is not going all the way to the top right now
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I saw this as more of a rolling the eyes look myself. She kind of looks like she couldn't be bothered with humanity in general or at least the present company.

calamity said:
I definitely see it as a troll dress. A good one too, since it is driving the Righties mad over on the RW websites.
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No such thing. We need to return to a time of civility where people are allowed to disagree or to have an opinion at all without being trolled for being "evil".
It isn't likely to turn around just by looking at the so-called "debates" but still. It is something worth hoping for.
 
Chomsky said:
I'm a student of Mr. Barnum, F & L, and I never underestimate the American people!

But concerning her pictures there, once anything gets out on the net, it's with us for posterity now. I warn my kids of this all the time, and they listened. Thankfully.

But I am indeed open-minded enough to say there's always the possibility through the lens of historical perspective, that she is seen as a pioneer to be heralded. Odder things have happened, as further decades give us perspective. There's been many mores throughout history that were completely and homogeneously supported by a given society, only to eventually break-down as society came to a different level of acceptance and understanding.

But of all the societal debates, I think this one (abortion) is going to be amongst the most difficult to resolve.
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The next will be the emotional state of the children of same sex parents. I know a lot of adopted kids and they all have issues. These kids carry a nasty burden place on them in infancy
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
So by "statistics," you mean "only statistics that agree with my pre-existing bias"? Because, actually, pretty much all statistics conducting with anything resembling decent sampling methods say that the vast majority of women are happy with their abortion both personally and experientially.
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I haven't addressed or commented on whether women were happy with their abortions or not. I was purely addressing the comment that women who wear shirts or dresses like this you had said were brave. And my point was that it seems brazen would be more of an apt word than brave.
 
Fearandloathing said:
The next will be the emotional state of the children of same sex parents. I know a lot of adopted kids and they all have issues. These kids carry a nasty burden place on them in infancy
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And I know plenty of adopted people that dont.

So much for anecdotal comments...let's see your sources for reality?
 
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