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Male abortion rights

justabubba said:
i agree that it is wrong to compel compulsory financial assistance of a man who is not the father of the child needing such assistance

but that was not the scenario i was addressing. that stud who failed to be around when his child was born and is not shown on the birth certificate then has no basis to complain that he was denied an opportunity to decide about an adoption
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It's not about that really, although that can be problem, if he isn't informed.

What I'm getting at is that men, generally, cannot forfeit parenthood after conception.
Where as a mother can.
 
Also, can somebody 'splain to me how a man being able to wave any and all responsibility from fatherhood (prior to birth) equates to "abortion"???

Other than absolute ****e journalism?
 
Dragonfly said:
Generally speaking, would you say men can't do more things by law, or women can't do more things by law?

Which sex can do more?
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I believe women have more reproductive rights than men and they should. Over all I have no idea never gave it any thought
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
It's not about that really, although that can be problem, if he isn't informed.

What I'm getting at is that men, generally, cannot forfeit parenthood after conception.
Where as a mother can.
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yea, but they know that 'before going in' so to speak

i don't share your sympathy for them
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Yea.
So if we are consistent with gender equality, we would expect there to be some kind of consistent law on it.
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As long as women are carrying the baby to term and doing the labor its about as consistent as its going to get. Plus theres more women voters :)
 
Dragonfly said:
Generally speaking, would you say men can't do more things by law, or women can't do more things by law?

Which sex can do more?
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The courts will generally favor the woman in child custody cases and divorce settlements.

Obviously every situation is case-by-case, but it is skewed towards the woman's interests.
 
lpast said:
As long as women are carrying the baby to term and doing the labor its about as consistent as its going to get. Plus theres more women voters :)
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What I'm getting at is that both parties (male and female) should have a choice of parenthood.
If one has the choice and the other doesn't, it creates a real legal and cultural imbalance in gender relations.
It can become combative and exploitative, which it is in many circumstances.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
The same argument can be applied to presumptive mothers though.
By extension, that can be used to deny legal abortion.
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the mothers possess the 'opt out' means that the men do not
poor comparison
 
justabubba said:
the mothers possess the 'opt out' means that the men do not
poor comparison
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The "opt out" for the mother is actually more complicated, than a legal opt out for a presumptive father.
I do not see why it would be more worse or difficult to extend it to the other parent.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
The "opt out" for the mother is actually more complicated, than a legal opt out for a presumptive father.
I do not see why it would be more worse or difficult to extend it to the other parent.
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because the other parent could compel the mother to do something with her body that she would prefer not to do
 
justabubba said:
if the father is identified on the birth certificate, does he not have a standing about a pending adoption going forward or not
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I'm not sure how this works everywhere but we didn't even see the BC until our daughter was born. So that would be a little late in the game.

I would guess that in the case of responsible adults the talking it out and making the decision somewhat together is natural and the most often occurrence.
I'm not sure there are any statistics but I would guess that there are more cases of the father washing their hands of the situation that comes into play in a decision of abortion to begin with (guessing, I could be wrong but doubt that I am).
 
justabubba said:
the men have the abortion option every time they have a zygote in their womb
as to pregnant women, their opportunity to opt out (or in) was that time prior to their insemination
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You should probably keep your post in the realm of reality that we all live in.
 
justabubba said:
because the other parent could compel the mother to do something with her body that she would prefer not to do
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Ummmm...how? All he could do without inflicting violence on her is increase the probability she will abort. Without the use of violence he can't compel her do anything.
 
Bucky said:
The courts will generally favor the woman in child custody cases and divorce settlements.

Obviously every situation is case-by-case, but it is skewed towards the woman's interests.
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Or is it skewed towards the child's interests?
 
OrphanSlug said:
What the hell does socialism have to do with "pro-incest?" (I bet I am going to regret even asking.)
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'conservativism,right wing etc' ,I dislike it but it has nothing to do with pro incest either

it is about marginalized liberalism ,not socialism and conservativism
 
Bucky said:
dangerous
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You've been asked at least three or four times now about the use of the word "dangerous", and I've yet to see you respond to why you picked that word.

Are you going to answer those people who've asked?
 
Bucky said:
Sweden's pro-incest youth wing of the Liberal People's Party suggests giving men right to 'legal abortions' | Europe | News | The Independent

Bizarre and dangerous.
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This already happens in America to my knowledge, but either way, despite the rest of the nature of the group, I agree with their claim that men should be allowed to voluntarily reject their status as a parent and forfeit all parental rights and obligations during pregnancy.

After the issue of controlling ones' body, the chief argument for women being able to terminate their pregnancy is that if they are not ready to be parents or that they shouldn't lose the ability to lead productive lives due to early financial and personal stresses associated to being a parent, then this will ultimately be bad for the child and the parent(s). If it exists for women, and it does, I don't see their being an objection to it existing for men.



PS: Because this is going to come up, for all of the people who say that men will do this in droves to be deadbeat dads, there's a sequence of incorrect statements there. The first is that deadbeat dads will be deadbeat dads no matter what, the second is that anyone at any point in time is allowed to give their children up for adoption. The government/charities then pays for that, too, and frankly, if the father becomes a deadbeat dad and the woman can't take care of the child, adoption or welfare is where she's going to end up, anyways. Also, I really doubt that a lot of people will give up parental rights unless there's a very compelling reason to do so; it's a serious decision when women terminate their pregnancies, and it'd be a serious decision when men end their parental rights, too.)
 
Btw, why should men be required to take action at all? Why should men be required to give up their parental rights? What makes it necessary that the man give up some of his rights in order to practice his other rights? How exactly is requiring the man give up his parental rights protecting his rights?
 
FieldTheorist said:
I agree with their claim that men should be allowed to voluntarily reject their status as a parent and forfeit all parental rights and obligations during pregnancy.
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Up until viability?
Up until the 20th week?
Right up until the delivery of a fully formed and healthy baby at/around 40 weeks?

Do you have a time frame in mind for that decision?
 
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