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The odd thing Justice Kennedy noticed about abortion in Texas

It became related when the right-wing theocrats attempted to force their religious beliefs on the rest of the population.

And non right-wing secularists also force their beliefs on the rest of the population. There is no difference. Government = force.
 
Roe V. Wade is FEDERAL CASE LAW.

The Supremacy Clause of the United States Constitution (Article VI, Clause 2) establishes that the Constitution, federal laws made pursuant to it and treaties made under its authority, constitute the supreme law of the land.[1] It provides that state courts are bound by the supreme law; in case of conflict between federal and state law, the federal law must be applied. Even state constitutions are subordinate to federal law.[2] The federal government possesses the supreme authority accorded it by the Constitution. The scope of this authority is very broad, as the federal government is tasked with providing for the general welfare of the United States.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supremacy_Clause

I am sorry the south has such a hard time understand this concept.

Roe v Wade is a giant crock of **** to be subverted whenever possible or outright ignored.

I am sorry you can't read English very well, but that's no cause to get all snippy.

Thank you for confirming that you have no respect for the rule of law, though. It means you really can't make this kind of argument in the future.
 
Roe V. Wade rules out making a state law on abortion. Federal law ALWAYS trumps state law. No matter how mad this makes the right-wing theocrats, it IS THE LAW. They can follow the law or they can be branded seditionists and be treated accordingly.

No, federal law does not always trump state law. Federal law only trumps state law when it has to do with the specific enumerated powers of the federal government. Per the 10th Amendment, anything not specifically given as part of it's enumerated powers to the federal is automatically a state matter. Since there is no enumerated power regarding abortion, it's a state matter. The SCOTUS stepped out of line in their authority.
 
In fact, the closest thing we have to anything regarding the Constitution not specifically saying something it automatically is a state matter, per the 10th Amendment. The SCOTUS basically had no standing to rule on this topic, in reality.

Wrong.

That is a zealot dodge tactic.

The SCOTUS has EVERY RIGHT to issue a ruling on this issue. It just came down against what you believe so you're having a fit.

Their ruling is FEDERAL LAW which means that THAT RULING TRUMPS ALL STATE LAWS. That is how it works. I suggest you read the Supremacy Clause.
 
No, federal law does not always trump state law. Federal law only trumps state law when it has to do with the specific enumerated powers of the federal government. Per the 10th Amendment, anything not specifically given as part of it's enumerated powers to the federal is automatically a state matter. Since there is no enumerated power regarding abortion, it's a state matter. The SCOTUS stepped out of line in their authority.

Yes, it does.

Your religion doesn't like the ruling so you're having a temper tantrum. Guess what? The SCOTUS was perfectly in-line and had EVERY RIGHT to make the ruling it did.

Pastor Joe-Bob and his backwards rhetoric are NOT THE LAW. The SCOTUS' decision IS THE LAW. The Supremacy clause is clear on this matter.

Accept it and cease all backwards obstructionist tactics.
 
Wrong.

That is a zealot dodge tactic.

The SCOTUS has EVERY RIGHT to issue a ruling on this issue. It just came down against what you believe so you're having a fit.

Their ruling is FEDERAL LAW which means that THAT RULING TRUMPS ALL STATE LAWS. That is how it works. I suggest you read the Supremacy Clause.

The 10th Amendment is still a thing.

While big government authoritarians like to pretend it does not exist, that's all that is - pretending.

Until such time as you manage to repeal it, the ruling in Roe remains a blatant violation of the rule of law, with the federal government overturning just state laws appropriate of nothing.
 
Wrong.

That is a zealot dodge tactic.

The SCOTUS has EVERY RIGHT to issue a ruling on this issue. It just came down against what you believe so you're having a fit.

Their ruling is FEDERAL LAW which means that THAT RULING TRUMPS ALL STATE LAWS. That is how it works. I suggest you read the Supremacy Clause.

The 10th Amendment is a zealot dodge tactic? Interesting hypothesis regarding the intent of the founding fathers. Also, it's not simply a matter of what I believe or not. It's a matter of the rule of law. According to my faith, homosexual marriage and acts are a sin. However, I support the decision by the SCOTUS when it struck down DOMA. Why? Because there is no enumerated power for the federal government to regulate marriage. I realize some people find it difficult to separate personal beliefs vs a non-bias POV of the Constitution. I don't suffer from that as much as most.

Yes, it does.

Your religion doesn't like the ruling so you're having a temper tantrum. Guess what? The SCOTUS was perfectly in-line and had EVERY RIGHT to make the ruling it did.

Pastor Joe-Bob and his backwards rhetoric are NOT THE LAW. The SCOTUS' decision IS THE LAW. The Supremacy clause is clear on this matter.

Accept it and cease all backwards obstructionist tactics.

No, it really didn't have the authority to do so. Let me pose a question to you. What does this mean?

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
 
The 10th Amendment is still a thing.
Yes, very much so. Then again what would you know about it when you suggested that rights retained by the people are meant to be delegated.

Until such time as you manage to repeal it, the ruling in Roe remains a blatant violation of the rule of law
Your expertise on this amounts to less than zero.
 
How does allowing choice force anything on anyone?

There are all kinds of choices that effect other people. In this instance, the force being used is that which is used to kill the unborn child.
 
Read the ****ing thing to the end.

Which what to the end? It's hard to follow because you're communicating in an overly emotional manner.
 
However, I support the decision by the SCOTUS when it struck down DOMA. Why? Because there is no enumerated power for the federal government to regulate marriage.


DOMA didn't regulate State marriage. States were free to recognize or reject same-sex civil marriage under DOMA, DOMA only impacted Federal recognition. The section pertaining to recognition between states was not addressed in the DOMA case and so technically it was never found unconstitutional. However, since Obergefel means that SSCM is valid in all 50 states, that portion isn't relevant anymore.


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You didn't answer my question.

I think that answered it pretty clearly. Allowing people to choose certain behavior or activities can result in the use of force on others. So someone choosing an abortion is using force. If slavery were still legal people could choose to be slave holders or not and their choice would involve using force on others. Parents have a choice in how they raise their children, which will definitely use force to limit/change all kinds of behavior.
 
Which what to the end? It's hard to follow because you're communicating in an overly emotional manner.
The amendment. I bet it is hard for you to follow, after all it is rather simple.
 
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The amendment. I bet it is hard for you to follow, after all it is rather simple.

You mean this to the end?:

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

Yes, it's rather simple but how about you tell me what you think that means.
 
And non right-wing secularists also force their beliefs on the rest of the population. There is no difference. Government = force.

Pro choice allows all to follow his /her own religious or secular belief.

The first amendment grants religious liberty to all of us.
 
Pro choice allows all to follow his /her own religious or secular belief.

The first amendment grants religious liberty to all of us.

I don't care if your religious belief says some humans aren't really human and it's okay to kill them in cold blood.

You can hold such a repugnant religious belief, I suppose, but it should not excuse you from legal consequences.

Otherwise, people can just convert to Aztec, abduct someone, and cut their throat... And I suppose you'd still be all "bu... bu... religious freedom!"
 
I think that answered it pretty clearly. Allowing people to choose certain behavior or activities can result in the use of force on others. So someone choosing an abortion is using force. If slavery were still legal people could choose to be slave holders or not and their choice would involve using force on others. Parents have a choice in how they raise their children, which will definitely use force to limit/change all kinds of behavior.

Epic fail. Choice allows women to choose what they feel best based on their values and situation. Nobody is forced to abort and nobody is forced to gestate.
 
The 10th Amendment is still a thing.

While big government authoritarians like to pretend it does not exist, that's all that is - pretending.

Until such time as you manage to repeal it, the ruling in Roe remains a blatant violation of the rule of law, with the federal government overturning just state laws appropriate of nothing.

Wrong.

Federal law has always trumped state law.

Roe v. Wade is never getting repealed and it is NOT a violation of just state laws. Abortion laws are not just.

Sounds to me like you might be confused as to the how the law works. It seems to me that you're also somebody who fails to understand why religion and government WILL ALWAYS BE SEPARATE INSTITUTIONS.
 
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