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The humanity of prenatal life in human womb cannot be denied

SmokeAndMirrors said:
Yup, they sure do. So why are pregnant women the only people who should be punished for it?

The usual case? Most women who get abortions were used BC. Many are married, and have other children.

You do realize contraception is not 100% right?

But regardless, it is sick that you see children as nothing but punishment for women who make you feel threatened.
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Blame it on Eve . She screwed around (what you so treasure) and disobeyed God's command. Childbirth was painless before that.

Otherwise, having and raising your prodogy and being a partner for you husband is why females were created.
 
dolphinocean said:
Then rub your eyes with alcohol. That might help. Or, perhaps, it's time for you to get an eye exam for a pair of glasses. :mrgreen:
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Nah I haven't worn a pair in years. I prefer contacts. Glasses just get in the way.
 
WCH said:
Blame it on Eve . She screwed around (what you so treasure) and disobeyed God's command. Childbirth was painless before that.

Otherwise, having and raising your prodogy and being a partner for you husband is why females were created.
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You have read the New Testament, right? St. Paul puts the blame for "original sin" squarely on Adam's shoulders. Not Eve's.
 
dolphinocean said:
That one depicted in Snope.com is a doll. Noah is not. He has a translucent skin & smaller than the doll.
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The first pic was the doll the second pic( scroll down a little ) was a visual depiction used on the website Baby Center.

That depiction shows translucent looking "skin " and is smaller than the first pic ( which is the doll.)
 
SmokeAndMirrors said:
'K. Have it your way.

Explain to me why you think they should have a right to harm another's body against their will, when no other person does, regardless of intent, innocence, or even awareness.
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I assume you mean why any women should be forced to carry her baby to term. If that's th case, then my answer is that baby (yes, I said "baby") is that it is a created human life. I assume you also think the baby is harming the mother, but where is the intent to harm? A baby does not steal nutrients from the mother, the mother gives her nutrients to the baby she helped to create. That is just the way it is. Leftiese don't like it, and they have a version of this but since everything from them is suspect, only the foolish believe.e
 
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minnie616 said:
The first pic was the doll the second pic( scroll down a little ) was a visual depiction used on the website Baby Center.

That depiction shows translucent looking "skin " and is smaller than the first pic ( which is the doll.)
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Exactly. The second pics with translucent skin is what Noah looks like. Both dark eyes can be seen through the translucent eyelids.
 
GEIxBattleRifle said:
The title is correct. There is no need for other pro choicers to deny the humanity of the unborn human in anyway. Feel free to correct others if you so choose to.
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how does the humanity of the unborn trump the humanity of the woman
 
JayDubya said:
Not to mention the fact that kids are not a punishment and her attempt to label them as such is absurd.

It is pro-abort radicals like Barack Obama who call children "punishments," not us in the anti-abortion camp.
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that's a judgement that each of us gets to make for ourselves. Not your decision or anyone elses
 
dolphinocean said:
Exactly. The second pics with translucent skin is what Noah looks like. Both dark eyes can be seen through the translucent eyelids.
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A visual depiction is a representation in image form
Such as in a painting or illustration.
 
joG said:
Against their will? If you risk killing the little one for the gooey feel of a quick trick. ... I don't see how the girl's rights should override the innicent's.
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So is it your position that women should not have the right to have an abortion they believe is in the best interests of their lives and the lives of their families, current and future? Yes or no?

If not, why not? Why are the entirety of their lives worth less than that same thing for the unborn?

The Right to Life
Your right to life is more than a matter of waking in the morning and breathing. It involves making your own choices about how you're going to live. It means choosing a career that's right for you, not one the government has decided you should pursue. Your right to life lets you choose where you want to live and the freedom to live however you like. You can have children, or not have children, or have as many as you like. You can marry, or remain single. The right to life is about personal decisions.

From <http://civil-rights.lawyers.com/civil-liberties/the-basic-constitutional-rights-of-a-us-citizen.html>
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dolphinocean said:
Punishment for enjoyment vs punishment by death for being procreated to life, which is worse and which is wrong?
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Well at least you are honest that you believe that treating a child as punishment is 'what the woman deserves.' I personally find it very dehumanizing 'using' a child that way but you are welcome to your opinion.
 
JayDubya said:
Not to mention the fact that kids are not a punishment and her attempt to label them as such is absurd.

It is pro-abort radicals like Barack Obama who call children "punishments," not us in the anti-abortion camp.
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He did exactly that...he endorses using kids as punishment for women who's behavior he disapproves of.
 
JayDubya said:
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Oh god, not this again.

A) Your idiotic slur conveys only your hatred - it does not communicate anything in English.

B) Your peers routinely deny the humanity of the unborn. You yourself routinely do this, whatever semantic nonsense you are attempting now with this "genetically" qualifier.
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No one says that human DNA alone entitles a human to rights. Certainly not the Constitution.

Where have you read that? Do you have proof of innate rights that are part of that DNA?
 
GEIxBattleRifle said:
Yup it's sad when a pro choicer has to show another pro choicer that the claim "the unborn are humans" is a claim that is correct according to science.
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Which pro-choice person did you have to enlighten so?
 
GEIxBattleRifle said:
Most pro choicers on this site deny the "ZEF" is a human (noun.)
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Please feel free to prove anyone in this sub-forum uses it to mean anything but Homo sapiens.

Otherwise, you are just look silly.
 
JayDubya said:
What, protecting one's self against one's self?

Absurd. :lamo
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It's absurd that you believe that the unborn is 'her self.' It's not. It's a separate unborn human.

Science and ethics are essential to rationally discussing abortion issues...please catch up.
 
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WCH said:
Blame it on Eve . She screwed around (what you so treasure) and disobeyed God's command. Childbirth was painless before that.

Otherwise, having and raising your prodogy and being a partner for you husband is why females were created.
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Wow that is so blindly biased, it's appalling. Who did she screw around with? Adam. Gee....why didnt Adam get punished? Why was it ok for Adam to screw around?

I love this tho, because it is THE foundation for so much of the fundamentalist Christian position on this....'she shouldnt have opened her legs, now she has to pay the consequences.' And the dehumanization of kids as punishment started THAT far back. *sigh*
 
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