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Kasich signs bill to defund Planned Parenthood

Bucky said:
I have proof they did and do kill babies. Obviously posting videos would be against the community guidelines.
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Recently? Legally? Please do share links to PP doing so.

Otherwise I call BS.
 
Lursa said:
use force of law to make women remain pregnant, judging and controlling the entirety of their lives against their will.
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You have an absurd way of framing *refraining from killing other human beings in cold blood.*

"Make someone remain pregnant." Ridiculous.

I suppose that has a perverse, slanted accuracy, though, like the law "making" Joe refrain from stabbing Bill, even though Joe really wants to stab Bill. Gosh, so controlling... :roll:
 
Bucky said:
I would like to admit and make my position clear. I do not give a crap about women's rights and healthcare. Planned Parenthood should be defunded. If they want to get health services they can go to the hospital or other medical facilities.

Planned Parenthood is an extremist organization again, run by the daughter of one of the worst racist governors of Texas. It does more harm than good in our society and a big reason for the political gridlock in our country. If you read this thread, notice nobody addressed the fact of Planned Parenthood's Super Pac or the fact they buy several politicians votes in congress and the Senate.
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Curious - is it just Planned Parenthood you want defunded?

Or is it any doctor, clinic , or hospital that performs abortion have their public funding ripped from them? (I will assume you will allow for life or death issues with mother)
 
JayDubya said:
Oh I see the problem - you somehow regard Planned Parenthood employees and clients (you know, people giving them money) as "innocents." I mean it's stupid and obviously wrong, but clearly that's what you're doing, so if you'd just stop doing that it would help with communication.

I suppose there is the other problem where you doggedly deny their role in killing so many actual innocent human beings.
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They are. Abortion is legal.

Going to a PP clinic and shooting and killing people is murder.

Scary that you can't see that.
 
Bucky said:
I have proof they did and do kill babies. Obviously posting videos would be against the community guidelines.
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A link should be fine. Please provide a link that shows PP has murdered born babies.
 
beefheart said:
They are. Abortion is legal.

Going to a PP clinic and shooting and killing people is murder.

Scary that you can't see that.
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What is scary is the level of obtuse denial I am dealing with here...

I know abortion is tragically, currently legal - that is the problem I am trying to fix. If I didn't know the problem existed, how would I be able to argue against it?

Furthermore, legality does not make those who participate in mass slaughter of innocent human beings "innocent." It only means that some wrongdoers are currently beyond the reach of the law.

By your standard of mere legality, the guys running the Auschwitz camp were "innocent."
 
JayDubya said:
What is scary is the level of obtuse denial I am dealing with here...

I know abortion is tragically, currently legal - that is the problem I am trying to fix. If I didn't know the problem existed, how would I be able to argue against it?

Furthermore, legality does not make those who participate in mass slaughter of innocent human beings "innocent." It only means that some wrongdoers are currently beyond the reach of the law.

By your standard of mere legality, the guys running the Auschwitz camp were "innocent."
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So much hyperbolic blather on your posts. I get it, you are against abortion....but unlike most anti abortion folks, you really have a dark side and seem to welcome violence against those who have and perform abortions.

No reasoning with you.
 
beefheart said:
So much hyperbolic blather on your posts. I get it, you are against abortion....but unlike most anti abortion folks, you really have a dark side and seem to welcome violence against those who have and perform abortions.

No reasoning with you.
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What a steaming pantload of total dishonesty!

Nothing I have said could rationally be even misconstrued as "welcoming violence against those who have and perform abortions."

I do not welcome nor encourage vigilantism and I never have. What I object to is you calling contract killers and their clients "innocent," because that's a lie and you can be expected to know better.
 
JayDubya said:
What a steaming pantload of total dishonesty!

Nothing I have said could rationally be even misconstrued as "welcoming violence against those who have and perform abortions."

I do not welcome nor encourage vigilantism and I never have. What I object to is you calling contract killers and their clients "innocent," because that's a lie and you can be expected to know better.
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You seem to have no problem that there were PP employees murdered by that anti abortion nut. Your posts really say a lot about you. And, its not pretty.
 
year2late said:
A link should be fine. Please provide a link that shows PP has murdered born babies.
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It is on a personal server. Too many legal implications for me posting a video of such graphic nature.
 
beefheart said:
You seem to have no problem that there were PP employees murdered by that anti abortion nut. Your posts really say a lot about you. And, its not pretty.
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It is my understanding it was a cop responding to the call and 2 women who were there to support their friends who were having an abortion. Unless there's more info out about it that I have not seen.
 
Bucky said:
It is on a personal server. Too many legal implications for me posting a video of such graphic nature.
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Um hmm. So...not true.
 
beefheart said:
You seem to have no problem that there were PP employees murdered by that anti abortion nut.
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After a few brief yet interminable exchanges with you, I'm quite certain sure lots of things "seem" lots of ways to you that aren't so in reality.

Aggressive killing is a problem - it's a problem when it's done by vigilantes, it's a problem when it's done every day, over and over by PP employees. The issue I'm taking with you is your bull**** labelling of such scumbags as "innocent."

But seriously **** it. You didn't get it the first time I said, you won't get it the next time either. You're just going to go on lying.
 
Bucky said:
It is on a personal server. Too many legal implications for me posting a video of such graphic nature.
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You do not have to post a video.

You can post a link to the story from a reputable site

Thanks
 
JayDubya said:
After a few brief yet interminable exchanges with you, I'm quite certain sure lots of things "seem" lots of ways to you that aren't so in reality.

Aggressive killing is a problem - it's a problem when it's done by vigilantes, it's a problem when it's done every day, over and over by PP employees. The issue I'm taking with you is your bull**** labelling of such scumbags as "innocent."

But seriously **** it. You didn't get it the first time I said, you won't get it the next time either. You're just going to go on lying.
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You think anyone working for PP is a criminal, and you have no problems with nutcases with guns killing the innocent people who work there.

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Bucky said:
It is on a personal server. Too many legal implications for me posting a video of such graphic nature.
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Personal server..?

Yeah, right...
 
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JayDubya said:
Prescient.
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As long as folk like you call the innocent people that work at PP, then we are going to have crazy people, whipped up by hate attacking the clinics and killing innocents.
 
beefheart said:
As long as folk like you call the innocent people that work at PP, then we are going to have crazy people, whipped up by hate attacking the clinics and killing innocents.
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This is not a coherent English sentence.

Try again.
 
Peter King said:
I completely disagree, it is not up to the government, to decide what other activities besides the ones the tax payer money goes to, any company provides as a service as long as that service is legal. And as abortion is legal, and the money goes to other activities, it is none of the governments business as what planned parenthood does with their own money.
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Ignorant bull****. The government providing Planned Parenthood money makes them associated with Planned Parenthood and everything they do. As long as the government provides Planned Parenthood money they are saying they approve of their abortion activities.
 
Henrin said:
Ignorant bull****. The government providing Planned Parenthood money makes them associated with Planned Parenthood and everything they do. As long as the government provides Planned Parenthood money they are saying they approve of their abortion activities.
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Well, isn't that just peachy since a republican President ( President Nixon ) passed Title X and it received bi partisan approval.
 
minnie616 said:
Well, isn't that just peachy since a republican President ( President Nixon ) passed Title X and it received bi partisan approval.
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Your point? All that means is that both parties have shown approval of what Planned Parenthood does.
 
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