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Kasich signs bill to defund Planned Parenthood

FieldTheorist said:
I really despise Kasich, to be honest.
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He's much more moderate than just about any republican around and seems to be a very compassionate human being and nice man. Why do you despise him?
 
jamesrage said:
I repeat " If those non-abortion services are so needed for the poor then that money can be given to organizations that do not do abortion."
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Planned Parenthood provides an infrastructure that allows an underserved community to obtain services with low or sliding scale cost for many of their services. Depending on the community they provide well beyond basic reproductive health services. Women can get a timely appointment and get their care.

I have a family member that uses county services - they are amazingly tight on services. My family member has been told umpteen times that no sooner appointments are available and the "best" thing to do is use ER (clearly they hope not a county er :) ) An influx of money would be needed to BEGIN fix what is already broken, not to add thousands of more clients.
 
jamesrage said:
Tax payer dollars should not go to planned parenthood period. If those non-abortion services are so needed for the poor then that money can be given to organizations that do not do abortion.
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I completely disagree, it is not up to the government, to decide what other activities besides the ones the tax payer money goes to, any company provides as a service as long as that service is legal. And as abortion is legal, and the money goes to other activities, it is none of the governments business as what planned parenthood does with their own money.
 
joG said:
I certainly pointed out the obvious to you and explained standard minimum requirements for ethical segregation of funds and pointed out that they did not seem to be maintained. The problem is that you were never able to falsify it. Debate with you is really rather uninteresting.
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You didnt provide any links and no info directly reflecting how PP handles its funding. Minnie and others did. Our links falsified your speculation.
 
jamesrage said:
I repeat " If those non-abortion services are so needed for the poor then that money can be given to organizations that do not do abortion."
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So no hospitals either?
 
MorrisDay said:
He's much more moderate than just about any republican around and seems to be a very compassionate human being and nice man. Why do you despise him?
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He's sexist. Just not as verbose and vainglorious about it as Trump.
 
Removable Mind said:
He's sexist. Just not as verbose and vainglorious about it as Trump.
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I can see Trump being viewed as sexist but aside from what's been posted here, I never thought Kasich to be that way. Heck, you could say Hillary is a feminist.
 
MorrisDay said:
I can see Trump being viewed as sexist but aside from what's been posted here, I never thought Kasich to be that way. Heck, you could say Hillary is a feminist.
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So you're saying feminists are sexists? That might be like saying slaves were racists because they didn't want to work for free for the white man?
 
Removable Mind said:
So you're saying feminists are sexists? That might be like saying slaves were racists because they didn't want to work for free for the white man?
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You get an LOL! for that response. OK perhaps only men can be sexist.
 
John Kasich is a good man. Those lambasting him need to remember how great of a job he has done revitalizing the state of Ohio. He took over a horrible situation under a terrible Governor in Ted Strickland.

Kasich is a moderate and I applaud his courage and conviction.
 
We need more of our elected officials like Kasich who try to unite our country with bridges rather than people like Donald Trump, Hillary Clinton, and Ted Cruz who are divisive, overt partisan, and dishonest.

A substantive message of peace, optimism, and working together is much better than one of war, partisan hackery, and fighting with each other.

 
Lursa said:
So no hospitals either?
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Only a small percentage of hospitals do elective abortions.So there would be plenty of hospitals that would qualify as groups that do not do abortions that can qualify for that money.
In New Letter, Doctors Urge More Hospitals to Perform Abortions | TIME.com
Hospitals provide just 4% of abortions in the U.S., according to the Guttmacher Institute, a nonprofit sexual-health-research organization, and many facilities limit the procedure to rare cases, like fetal abnormalities or when the life of the woman is at risk. The majority of hospitals perform fewer than 30 abortions per year. Others refuse to provide the procedure at all.
 
year2late said:
Planned Parenthood provides an infrastructure that allows an underserved community to obtain services with low or sliding scale cost for many of their services. Depending on the community they provide well beyond basic reproductive health services. Women can get a timely appointment and get their care.

I have a family member that uses county services - they are amazingly tight on services. My family member has been told umpteen times that no sooner appointments are available and the "best" thing to do is use ER (clearly they hope not a county er :) ) An influx of money would be needed to BEGIN fix what is already broken, not to add thousands of more clients.
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And that money can go to groups that do not do abortions if those services for the poor are truly needed.
 
jamesrage said:
Only a small percentage of hospitals do elective abortions.So there would be plenty of hospitals that would qualify as groups that do not do abortions that can qualify for that money.
In New Letter, Doctors Urge More Hospitals to Perform Abortions | TIME.com
Hospitals provide just 4% of abortions in the U.S., according to the Guttmacher Institute, a nonprofit sexual-health-research organization, and many facilities limit the procedure to rare cases, like fetal abnormalities or when the life of the woman is at risk. The majority of hospitals perform fewer than 30 abortions per year. Others refuse to provide the procedure at all.
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And so you would deny them funding?
 
azgreg said:
I understand your stance on abortion and that's fine. However, federal funding doesn't go towards abortions. Federal funds used at PP are for all other women's health issues. It's too bad that you don't care for the health of your fellow Americans, especially those who are not in the obvious advantaged financial position you're in.
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1. Over 10,000 federally qualified health centers exist that do not perform abortions but help women through holistic health care.

2. Unlike PP, these 10,000 health centers do not fund millions of dollars to democratic candidates. These 10,000 health care centers do not have a Super Pac to get radical pro-choice officials elected.
 
Bucky said:
1. Over 10,000 federally qualified health centers exist that do not perform abortions but help women through holistic health care.

2. Unlike PP, these 10,000 health centers do not fund millions of dollars to democratic candidates. These 10,000 health care centers do not have a Super Pac to get radical pro-choice officials elected.
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Define holistic health care.
 
year2late said:
Define holistic health care.
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WOMEN’S HEALTH
Treating women’s specific issues has been at the center of our care for over 25 years. Only female doctors on our staff conduct the GYN exams in order to create the most comfortable environment for you. All our doctors are skilled in combining natural hormone therapies with botanical medicine and nutritional support to resolve symptoms and improve health.

AANP - American Association of Naturopathic Physicians: Natural Medicine. Real Solutions.

Naturopathic medicine is a distinct primary health care profession, emphasizing prevention, treatment, and optimal
health through the use of therapeutic methods and substances that encourage individuals’ inherent self-healing
process. The practice of naturopathic medicine includes modern and traditional, scientific, and empirical methods.
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Bucky said:
1. Over 10,000 federally qualified health centers exist that do not perform abortions but help women through holistic health care.

2. Unlike PP, these 10,000 health centers do not fund millions of dollars to democratic candidates. These 10,000 health care centers do not have a Super Pac to get radical pro-choice officials elected.
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Naturopathic is fine.

What are the holistic birth control options for those that are trying not to be pregnant.

What are the holistic std treatments?

What about PAP smears?

How do they holistically cure the precancers that show up on PAP smears?
 
year2late said:
Naturopathic is fine.

What are the holistic birth control options for those that are trying not to be pregnant.

What are the holistic std treatments?

What about PAP smears?

How do they holistically cure the precancers that show up on PAP smears?
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I will let an actual doctor explain:

 
Bucky said:
1. Over 10,000 federally qualified health centers exist that do not perform abortions but help women through holistic health care.

2. Unlike PP, these 10,000 health centers do not fund millions of dollars to democratic candidates. These 10,000 health care centers do not have a Super Pac to get radical pro-choice officials elected.
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Are there any other legal constitutionally protected medical procedures that you think should be involved in the vetting process to determine which medical facilities receive government funds to take care of it's citizens? Or are you only interested in the procedures you don't agree with?
 
Bucky said:
I will let an actual doctor explain:

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Spare the RandPaul, I want your interpretation.

I have asked specific questions
 
Lursa said:
And so you would deny them funding?
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Just those 4% of hospitals that do elective abortions. The other 94% that don't do elective abortions can receive tax payer funding to do mammograms, STD testing and various other services for the poor.
 
beefheart said:
Or, we can have the pros at PP do it, like they always have.

BTW, abortion is legal, if you don't like it, don't have an abortion.
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Professionals, huh? :lamo

Great choice of words there.

After all, there was a movie called "The Professional." Guess what he did? Yup, he killed other folks for money, too.
 
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