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On Roe Anniversary, Let’s Remember the U.S. Women for Whom Abortion...

prometeus said:
Technically you are right, but splitting hairs on a bald man's head is not a winning strategy.
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A technical distinction which I believe is particularly relevant in a discussion, as framed by the OP, about how some poor, unfortunate souls still can't afford the high price of an abortion, especially when two of the first five participants into the discussion made the (semantic?) error of calling abortion a right.

Who said anything about that?
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It is implicit in the OP.

Did you not read that part of the thread?

In my experience that's usually the best place to start one of these discussions, at the beginning.

Yes, that is what people do. Do you have anything that is not common knowledge or relevant?
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Actually, that's not necessarily "what people do".

Apparently your grasp of "common knowledge" is painfully lacking and your ability to ascertain "relevance" even moreso.

17 states currently provide public funding for abortion for low income women and the OP is a direct attack on the Hyde Amendment which currently prohibits the federal government from doing the same.

Not one that you are able to recognize outright...
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I recognize that there is a problem with unwanted pregnancies.

I just don't believe that the wholesale slaughter of unborn people is the best solution, or any kind of solution that I want my tax dollars paying for.

I would also hazard to guess that the large majority of folks who actually do pay tax (effectively) would agree with me and that those who foot the bill for this country are being led around by the nose by the dirty, unwashed masses whose lack of income earning potential is eclipsed only by their philandering and sexual irresponsibility.

(That last being rhetorical, I realize that such people are catastrophically irresponsible in virtually every facet of their lives and from a socioeconomic perspective are the equivalent of a Troop of apes who cannot see "the big picture", or plan for "the long term". Also note that my equating these people to a Troop of apes does not have anything of a racial component, something I'm sure the intellectual luminaries around here will accuse me of implying. White, Hispanic, Arab-Muslim, African American, it doesn't matter where these low-income, low-class people come from, all of their behaviors are commanded by their baser instincts and a demand for immediate gratification.)
 
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David_N said:
Yeah, I'm sure a majority see it that way.
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Your logical fallacy is: Bandwagon.

This country was established as a constitutional republic, not a moronic direct democracy.

Read the document in question and find the "buy poor people healthcare" power of Congress. Article I, Section 8, in case you don't know the document well (and you clearly don't).


But seriously, if you want the United States to fracture again, start trying to make us buy abortion with tax dollars. Hell, even plantation owners in former slave states at least had the decency to buy their own.
 
soot said:
A technical distinction which I believe is particularly relevant in a discussion
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Good for you still irrelevant hair splitting.

It is implicit in the OP.

Did you not read that part of the thread?

In my experience that's usually the best place to start one of these discussions, at the beginning.
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In MY experience it is also important to utilize reading comprehension and context. Did you not think that that would be useful in this case.

Actually, that's not necessarily "what people do".
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But in reality it is.

Apparently your grasp of "common knowledge" is painfully lacking and your ability to ascertain "relevance" even moreso.
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Yet you are the one who needs to repeat irrelevant things.

I recognize that there is a problem with unwanted pregnancies.

I just don't believe that the wholesale slaughter of unborn people is the best solution
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Too bad you do not realize that emotional drivel is just that and not an intelligent argument.

White, Hispanic, Arab-Muslim, African American, it doesn't matter where these low-income, low-class people come from, all of their behaviors are commanded by their baser instincts and a demand for immediate gratification.)
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I am curious, what is it that you are doing to change that condition?
 
David_N said:
Yeah, great idea, eliminate medicaid. Typical libertarian lunacy.
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If you can't afford a service:

Find someone willing to help you pay for it.
Do without

At no point is it a liberty of yours to force others to pay for your ****. This liberal idea that it's perfect fine to use the government to force people to pay for your medical care is completely out of line with human rights.

Why don't you support the choice to not pay for abortions?
 
Henrin said:
This liberal idea that it's perfect fine to use the government to force people to pay for your medical care is completely out of line with human rights.
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BS. You are under the delusion that you exist in a vacuum and everything belongs to you. Everywhere in the intelligent and civilized world the basic well being of members of society is a human right and it is so not because it is a liberal idea, but because it is a good idea and a more beneficial idea to society.
 
prometeus said:
BS. You are under the delusion that you exist in a vacuum and everything belongs to you. Everywhere in the intelligent and civilized world the basic well being of members of society is a human right and it is so not because it is a liberal idea, but because it is a good idea and a more beneficial idea to society.
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My income does belong to me.

What's next on this BS train of yours?
 
prometeus said:
Yes it does if you do not earn it in society and from members of society. Otherwise there is a price to play.
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Bull****. Flat out bull****. It doesn't matter if people acquire their property in this or that society. Property claims goes to the person that used their labor to acquire the property or got it through voluntary exchange. Society has no rightful claims to the property of anyone.

Just highlighting the egotistical and ignorant aspect of your post.
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All you did was expose your greed for other peoples money.
 
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Exactly.
 
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soot said:
I just don't believe that the wholesale slaughter of unborn people is the best solution, or any kind of solution that I want my tax dollars paying for.
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Hyperbolic hysteria or true ignorance? I will give you the benefit of the doubt:

--The abortion rate has been going down every year.

--Abortion was legalized 40+ yrs ago and many many more women still choose to give birth rather than have abortions.

--Your tax dollars to not pay for abortions.
 
Lursa said:
Hyperbolic hysteria or true ignorance? I will give you the benefit of the doubt:
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We've run this gamut before, me and you, I'm not going to do it again.

--The abortion rate has been going down every year.
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When it's somewhere in the low teens and the only women getting abortions are underage rape victims and women in terminal jeopardy of dying if they carry to full term then I'll be satisfied.

Abortion was legalized 40+ yrs ago and many many more women still choose to give birth rather than have abortions.
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It's funny how you say that, like there's something to be applauded in women not being a murderous scumbags.

Your tax dollars to not pay for abortions.
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Not anymore.

When I lived in NJ they did.

I left that state for many reasons, but that was among them.

Now I pay 0% state tax on my not inconsiderable income in a state that provides $0 public for abortion.

And as I told the other hater, if you read the OP you'd know that this thread is an appeal change federal policy such that federal dollars will used to pay for abortions.

If you don't think that there are those who believe that the Hyde Amendment should be rescinded, and that federal tax dollars should be used to pay for abortions, you're living in fairy land.

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if you agreed with them.

So when I say that "I don't want my tax dollars paying for abortion" I don't mean that I mistakenly believe that is currently happening and I want it to stop, I mean that I know good and well it isn't happening and I don't ever want to see it start.
 
Henrin said:
Bull****. Flat out bull****. It doesn't matter if people acquire their property in this or that society. Property claims goes to the person that used their labor to acquire the property or got it through voluntary exchange. Society has no rightful claims to the property of anyone.
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Fortunately society does not see it that way and intelligent people realize the need for a safe and orderly society so they may have and keep property safely and continue to earn.

All you did was expose your greed for other peoples money.
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I have no need for anyone's money and I do not mind paying for the safety a civilized and orderly society that affords me to earn what I do. Then again I am not all about selfish ignorant greed.
 
soot said:
When it's somewhere in the low teens and the only women getting abortions are underage rape victims and women in terminal jeopardy of dying if they carry to full term then I'll be satisfied.
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Please do not delude yourself, no one gives a crap about your satisfaction, especially not as a price for freedom and selfdetermination.

It's funny how you say that, like there's something to be applauded in women not being a murderous scumbags.
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I am sure they think of you the same for wanting to impose your ignorant view on them.

I left that state for many reasons, but that was among them.
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I am sure they miss you terribly....
 
prometeus said:
That is just utterly stupid and that fact entirely escapes you...
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Of course, it is not stupid at all. If I give someone the task of protecting my property rights then it makes no sense to say it is fine for them to take my property at will.
 
Henrin said:
Of course, it is not stupid at all. If I give someone the task of protecting my property rights then it makes no sense to say it is fine for them to take my property at will.
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But it is fair to pay a price for that protection. As I said WAY over you head and you still do not grasp it...
 
prometeus said:
Fortunately society does not see it that way and intelligent people realize the need for a safe and orderly society so they may have and keep property safely and continue to earn.
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Do you somehow not grasp that nothing you just said calls for ignoring consent? Do you somehow not realize that inflicting violence on people to protect them is completely illogical?

I have no need for anyone's money and I do not mind paying for the safety a civilized and orderly society that affords me to earn what I do. Then again I am not all about selfish ignorant greed.
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You clearly advocate taking peoples money by government force.
 
prometeus said:
But it is fair to pay a price for that protection. As I said WAY over you head and you still do not grasp it...
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Yes, because hiring a protector that just randomly robs you makes a whole bunch of sense.
 
prometeus said:
I am sure they miss you terribly....
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Miss me?

Some do, some don't, some were glad to see me go, I'm sure.

But you can bet your ass they miss my $$$.

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Henrin said:
Abortion is a service that half of the population disagrees with. Don't you think it's a little wrong to force half of the population to pay for something they want no part in?
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Abortion is a service that half the population agrees with. Don't you think it's a little wrong to force half of the population to be denied an important medical service because the other half has moral qualms with it?
 
Cardinal said:
Abortion is a service that half the population agrees with. Don't you think it's a little wrong to force half of the population to be denied an important medical service because the other half has moral qualms with it?
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No one is being denied anything here. We are talking about women getting abortions paid for at other peoples expense, not women being denied abortions.
 
Henrin said:
No one is being denied anything here. We are talking about women getting abortions paid for at other peoples expense, not women being denied abortions.
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bull****...please source how much is paid by taxpayers for elective abortions. Medicaid will only pay for abortions when a woman's life is in jeopardy, her long-term health is at stake, or the fetus is severely messed up or dead.
 
Removable Mind said:
bull****...please source how much is paid by taxpayers for elective abortions. Medicaid will only pay for abortions when a woman's life is in jeopardy, her long-term health is at stake, or the fetus is severely messed up or dead.
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We are talking about a law looking to change that, Removable. Pay attention.

Btw, everything you just said is about taxpayers paying for abortions.
 
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