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Planned Parenthood sues CMP and its co-conspirators

Lursa said:
I never said any such thing. "Cant you read?" lol (since you just asked)
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good, then there shouldn't be any more nonsense about sex between consenting adults in an abortion debate, yes?

Lursa said:
Sex and pregnancy are 2 different things
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Now you're just getting silly. Put your rules for radicals down and join me on single page. I'm getting tired of running down your deliberate falsehoods.

We'll start here: Tell me why you believe Jesus supports abortion.
 
Utonics said:
I'm not the one continually trying to justify my selfish pursuits. It's choice over life in your eyes, and you think Jesus loves you for that. Remove thy beam, oh child of hell.

God does not support rationalizers, Lursa, and you are one major rationalizer. Why do you hate life?

You figured wrong... again lol. Why are you so obsessed with feet?

I knew you'd like that, given your acute hatred for life and all. lol

Neither did I. What I did see, was how Abortion was one of the five primary options available on the front page. Interesting that you didn't bring that up in your previous post. It's almost as if... as if... you stink of desperation lol.

Why are you so selfish and full of hatred for our human unborn? On top of that, why are you so deceitful?
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So, zero answers to any of those tough questions...because you cannot justify your disrespect for women. Your judgements of my faith are worthless, you know that, right? That only His Judgement means anything and you sin just by your arrogance.

I am not desperate at all...I have soundly supported my position on abortion...something you have not managed to do...and abortion is legal and will stay that way. LOL

You dont like my position so you name-call. Ooooo! How terrible, a man that doesnt know me imagines stuff. Big deal. It's a discussion forum. If you cant actually discuss, you do what others like yourself do...resort to attacking and denial.

(And a list of services does not demonstrate any numbers or percentages of their ratio with respect to the other services. Do you need a math lesson now? :doh)

All you're doing here, for pages, is flailing. You have not shown *at all* why abortion is immoral. All you've done is abuse God's Name, using it as a dishonest vehicle for your own hate and disrespect for women. There is no moral High Ground in a single thing you've posted.
 
Utonics said:
We'll start here: Tell me why you believe Jesus supports abortion.
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You dont get it: your beliefs about religion dont matter AT ALL in America regarding abortion (or anything else)

And I already asked you: show me where God...or Jesus...condemned abortion?
 
Utonics said:
good, then there shouldn't be any more nonsense about sex between consenting adults in an abortion debate, yes?
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You are the one relating sex with some kind of obligation to remain pregnant, not me.
 
Lursa said:
You dont get it: your beliefs about religion dont matter AT ALL in America regarding abortion (or anything else)
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I never said they did. what I will say, is that my opinion is the same as millions of other voters, and we want the SCOTUS ruling overturned.

Lursa said:
And I already asked you: show me where God...or Jesus...condemned abortion?
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You can't (or won't) answer the question, so I will help you.

NOWHERE in the Bible will you find support for abortion. In FACT, nowhere in the Bible will you find anything about God condoning the taking of ANYONE'S life that wasn't directly commanded by Him. What we do know, is that killing another person is a direct violation of one of God's commandments. And since abortion is equivalent to killing another person, then it's safe to say that God is opposed to abortion. So why aren't you?
 
Utonics said:
I never said they did. what I will say, is that my opinion is the same as millions of other voters, and we want the SCOTUS ruling overturned.

You can't (or won't) answer the question, so I will help you.

NOWHERE in the Bible will you find support for abortion. In FACT, nowhere in the Bible will you find anything about God condoning the taking of ANYONE'S life that wasn't directly commanded by Him. What we do know, is that killing another person is a direct violation of one of God's commandments. And since abortion is equivalent to killing another person, then it's safe to say that God is opposed to abortion. So why aren't you?
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I did answer it. You just dont like the answer.

Your assumptions regarding 'what God thinks' are worth zip when He could have make His Word on the subject known. So you can imagine what you want.

And the SCOTUS ruling wont be overturned because even tho you deny the NUMBERS, most Americans are Christians and the majority of Americans support abortion. So....exactly how do you figure 'voters' will get it overturned? Again, your math skills are lacking.
 
Utonics said:
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I guarantee you God is more interested in preserving life than He is in taking it.

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Really?
If you think all fertilized human eggs ( zygotes ) are little humans than you would be mistaken.
About half of zygotes fail to implant. They just pass right through the body without implantation.
More zygotes ( making the number about two-thirds ) self about within the first week of implantation.

And add to that 15 to 20 percent of all known pregnancies ( when the woman is aware she is pregnant ) end in spontaneous
abortion ( miscarriage).
 
Utonics said:
Anyone who buys into the notion that choice is more important than life is essentially 'duped'. From a religious stance, you have zero ground to stand on.
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It is you who has zero ground to stand on.
 
minnie616 said:
Really?
If you think all fertilized human eggs ( zygotes ) are little humans than you would be mistaken.
About half of zygotes fail to implant. They just pass right through the body without implantation.
More zygotes ( making the number about two-thirds ) self about within the first week of implantation.

And add to that 15 to 20 percent of all known pregnancies ( when the woman is aware she is pregnant ) end in spontaneous
abortion ( miscarriage).
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That must mean god is an abortionist.
 
minnie616 said:
Really?
If you think all fertilized human eggs ( zygotes ) are little humans than you would be mistaken.
About half of zygotes fail to implant. They just pass right through the body without implantation.
More zygotes ( making the number about two-thirds ) self about within the first week of implantation.

And add to that 15 to 20 percent of all known pregnancies ( when the woman is aware she is pregnant ) end in spontaneous
abortion ( miscarriage).
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You are right nature causes loads of abortions and stillbirths. That is also not seen as nature killing the zygote now is it?
 
Peter King said:
You are right nature causes loads of abortions and stillbirths. That is also not seen as nature killing the zygote now is it?
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My reply was about God ,not nature , and if he "is more interested in preserving life than He is in taking it."

Here is the quote I was replying to.

Utonics said:
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I guarantee you God is more interested in preserving life than He is in taking it.

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minnie616 said:
My reply was about God ,not nature , and if he "is more interested in preserving life than He is in taking it."

Here is the quote I was replying to.
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Yes, I understood, but as an atheist I cannot blame god or acknowledge god now can I ;)

All I wanted to say is that you are right, abortions happen loads of times without human interference.
 
Peter King said:
Yes, I understood, but as an atheist I cannot blame god or acknowledge god now can I ;)

All I wanted to say is that you are right, abortions happen loads of times without human interference.
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Very true.
And about 90 percent of all abortions ( natural and elective ) take place during the first trimester.
 
minnie616 said:
Very true.
And about 90 percent of all abortions ( natural and elective ) take place during the first trimester.
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I think with natural abortions added into the mix I would even guess that it is way over 90% because elective abortions are about 89% in the first trimester and if you add the abortions that happen naturally, you would be way over 90% but that is my guesstimate.
 
Peter King said:
I think with natural abortions added into the mix I would even guess that it is way over 90% because elective abortions are about 89% in the first trimester and if you add the abortions that happen naturally, you would be way over 90% but that is my guesstimate.
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Actually elevetive abortions were over 91 percent during the first trimester.
 
Utonics said:
You explained how you believe sexual gratification trumps the life of an innocent human being. Not sure you can get any more irresponsible than that.
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It's a fact that sex is engaged in many, many, many, many more times for pleasure and bonding rather than for reproduction. The value you choose to assign any life you co-conceive is YOUR CHOICE...not governments or religions. Oh, and not your neighbors friends or relatives choice either.
 
Back on topic -- it looks as though CMP could face some charges in TX:

A Houston grand jury that was investigating accusations of criminal misconduct against Planned Parenthood on Monday instead indicted the leader of an anti-abortion group that recorded covert videos of the organization’s employees.

Harris County District Attorney Devon Anderson said David Daleiden, the director of the Center for Medical Progress, faces a felony charge of tampering with a governmental record and a misdemeanor count related to buying human tissue.

Sandra Merritt, one of Daleiden’s employees, was also indicted on a charge of tampering with a governmental record.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...hood-videos-faces-felony-charge/?tid=pm_pop_b


Funny that - CMP was the one buying fetal tissue.

Amazing.
 
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