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For Those Who Mistakenly Believe Republicans Are Against Birth Control

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Moderate Right said:
You're just trying to argue and mince words. Obviously I never claimed that the left proclaims that Rush speaks for 100% of Republicans but I see many on the left bring his name up all the time and paint with a very wide brush like Rush is our savior. Only the far right wackos listen to Rush.
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Mince words? I am trying to get you to be honest.

Rush speaks for many Republicans. I also personally know Republicans that would like him to STFU.
 
Moderate Right said:
I don't have the time to back up this statement. I have better things to do with my life than to prove to you something that you can take the time to find yourself. If you so wish all you have to do is search out other threads in the abortion forums that I have posted in and you will see several examples of the left believing this nonsense. It's accessible to anyone who wants to take the time to find it, which isn't me. For those that don't believe it I tip my hat to you.
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If you can find examples of the left on this forum saying that most on the right are against ALL forms of birth control, let me know. But frankly I think you are just throwing crap against a wall to see what sticks. well, your crap ain't sticking.

Any chance for some statements that are a bit more intellectually honest?
 
countryboy said:
Wrong as usual. At least you are consistent. It has to do with the carving up of little human beings to sell their body parts like so many pork chops in a butcher shop window. But you already knew that. ;)
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I'm right as usual. At least your denial is intact and continue to make claims that you can't back up. What you're claiming is false in so many ways. The United States Congress will whole-heartedly disagree with your continued claim in black and white. You're free to read Federal Code, which clearly shows your claim to be incorrect. But you already know that.
 
year2late said:
Please link us to statements where folk on the left on this forum have stated that most on the right are against ALL forms of birth control.

Time to start backing up your statements.
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That would be impossible, abstinence (in general and during a fertile cycle) is a form of birth control and for some it is the only form of birth control they support. But it is still support for a form of birth control.


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WorldWatcher said:
That would be impossible, abstinence (in general and during a fertile cycle) is a form of birth control and for some it is the only form of birth control they support. But it is still support for a form of birth control.


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It would be impossible because the poster's statement is intellectually dishonest.
 
David_N said:
It's a shame only conservatives fight against birth control initiatives.
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And they also fight against things like food stamps for poor mothers that feed the children they so desperately want born lol. So much hypocrisy.
 
Moderate Right said:
For the exact reason that you said. Federal dollars are not supposed to be used for most abortions and PP does it anyway, using a shell game with the money. It's a simple case that if they want to provide abortions then they should do it the same way that the other clinics do and not use federal funds. If they want federal funds then they shouldn't do abortions. If the other clinics can do it then why can't PP?
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It is not a shell game.

BTW :private clinics and private doctors who provide Title X care receive Title X funds whether they provide abortions or not.also all private doctors and all clinics who treat medicaid patients receive reimbursements for the service they provide.

Government funds are not paying for abortion at PP.

Elective abortions are paid by the woman herself with help on occasion by donated abortion funds.
By law Therapeutic abortions ( rape, incest, risk to woman's life ) are the only ones covered by federal funds.

From the Washington Post:
Opponents of Planned Parenthood insist that giving the organization federal dollars allows it to spend other money in its budget to provide abortions. That is not possible — there is no other money.

Title X is a federal grant program that exists solely to help low-income and uninsured people access contraceptives and sexual health care; 5.2 million people use the program annually. But Congress has never appropriated enough money to take care of the estimated 17 million Americans who need publicly funded family-planning care. There always are more patients than subsidies.

Further, a Title X grant is designed to help with costs, not to fully cover them. So family-planning programs are required to find other money to support the Title X project — not the other way around. For patients who qualify for Medicaid, reimbursement rates for reproductive health services are lower than the cost of the care. A typical family-planning visit might cost upward of $200, including the exam, lab tests and contraceptive method, but the Medicaid reimbursement rate may be as low as $20.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...1iD_story.html
 
cpwill said:
Pushing for OTC BC is a win/win for Republicans.
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Speaking as a Republican, sometimes I wonder. Hormonal birth control messes with a woman body chemistry, so therefore I'm not so sure that doing it NOT under a Doctors supervision is the brightest move.

Then the skeptic in me wonders - for some - if the support of OTC BC isn't to remove the prescription requirement and then turn around and say it's not covered under Health Insurance since it's OTC.


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Removable Mind said:
I'm right as usual. At least your denial is intact and continue to make claims that you can't back up. What you're claiming is false in so many ways. The United States Congress will whole-heartedly disagree with your continued claim in black and white. You're free to read Federal Code, which clearly shows your claim to be incorrect. But you already know that.
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Sick enablers aside, we have the ghouls on video and in their own words. You can rationalize it any way you wish.
 
countryboy said:
Sick enablers aside, we have the ghouls on video and in their own words. You can rationalize it any way you wish.
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You're rationalizing it like virtually all pro-life do. Grossly embellish the facts and significantly degrading the value of women.
 
WorldWatcher said:
Speaking as a Republican, sometimes I wonder. Hormonal birth control messes with a woman body chemistry, so therefore I'm not so sure that doing it NOT under a Doctors supervision is the brightest move.

Then the skeptic in me wonders - for some - if the support of OTC BC isn't to remove the prescription requirement and then turn around and say it's not covered under Health Insurance since it's OTC.


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It is not just you as a republican, for a social democrat as myself, I too wonder about the intelligence of this over the counter birth control issue. Such medication should only be prescribed by a doctor IMHO who knows the patient.
 
Moderate Right said:
Oh Jeez. You have to think outside the box, look at the big picture nationally (not Oregonally), and not take it so literally. The left has done very well at painting the Republicans as having a war against women and many on the left think that most Republicans are against all forms of birth control. This can earn them some Brownie points and show the public that the left is mislabeling the right, that they don't have a war against women, and, in particular, the vast majority of Republicans actually are in favor of birth control, just not abortion.
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So now Republicans support covering birth control for all under the healthcare law? What a relief, for a while I thought they were still back in the 19th century.
 
Peter King said:
It is not just you as a republican, for a social democrat as myself, I too wonder about the intelligence of this over the counter birth control issue. Such medication should only be prescribed by a doctor IMHO who knows the patient.
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I'm willing to listen and learn regarding a discussion.

I can see a certain logic that says that someone that has been on hormonal BC for 2 or 3 years and is having no issues might have a "standing script" that would mean she doesn't have to go back to get a new prescription every 6 months or so. That is one thing. But I think during initial trials (some times women don't take to one type as well and might need a different formulary) that they should be under a doctors care to ensure no long term negative effects are caused.


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WorldWatcher said:
Speaking as a Republican, sometimes I wonder. Hormonal birth control messes with a woman body chemistry, so therefore I'm not so sure that doing it NOT under a Doctors supervision is the brightest move.

Then the skeptic in me wonders - for some - if the support of OTC BC isn't to remove the prescription requirement and then turn around and say it's not covered under Health Insurance since it's OTC.


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:shrug: as a Conservative, I trust a grown woman to know what BC works best for her. As a Republican, it also serves to redirect Democrat attempts to complain that not wanting to force everyone else to pay for BC constitutes a "war on women".
 
cpwill said:
:shrug: as a Conservative, I trust a grown woman to know what BC works best for her. As a Republican, it also serves to redirect Democrat attempts to complain that not wanting to force everyone else to pay for BC constitutes a "war on women".
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When a poor woman has a child, you pay for it anyway via welfare. And by pay I mean you pay multiple times over the cost it takes to provide affordable birth control to prevent pregnancy until a mother is ready.

Unless you're suggesting that these poor women and their poor children should get no financial assistance from the government, likely resulting in starving children or foster care.

Choose your battles carefully. The economic impact of subsidizing birth control is a much worthier investment than the economic and social implications of child rearing when you can't afford to.
 
minnie616 said:
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Government funds are not paying for abortion at PP.
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This is correct.

Private foundations set up in each state (often called 'Justice Funds' or a similar name) fund abortions for women who can't afford them. Very few PP sites offer abortions and those that do - either charge women for the service or they are subsidized by the private foundations. Under no circumstances are those PP's allowed to "commingle" funds from the government and funds for abortion. They are audited out the wazoo to make sure they don't.

Here is a list of the private foundations that fund abortion in different states.
Explore Funds by State | Fund Abortion Now.org

The government does not fund PP abortions.

Why do some people have such a tough time understanding that?
 
year2late said:
Mince words? I am trying to get you to be honest.

Rush speaks for many Republicans. I also personally know Republicans that would like him to STFU.
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Depends on what you mean by "many". My best guess is that Rush might speak for 25% but 75% think he's a bloated ass. I'm in the 75%.
 
year2late said:
If you can find examples of the left on this forum saying that most on the right are against ALL forms of birth control, let me know. But frankly I think you are just throwing crap against a wall to see what sticks. well, your crap ain't sticking.

Any chance for some statements that are a bit more intellectually honest?
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I believe minnie herself said in another thread that she believes most Republicans are against birth control. I'm not spending my time searching. The evidence is there for anyone who wants to find it.
 
HowardBThiname said:
This is correct.

Private foundations set up in each state (often called 'Justice Funds' or a similar name) fund abortions for women who can't afford them. Very few PP sites offer abortions and those that do - either charge women for the service or they are subsidized by the private foundations. Under no circumstances are those PP's allowed to "commingle" funds from the government and funds for abortion. They are audited out the wazoo to make sure they don't.

Here is a list of the private foundations that fund abortion in different states.
Explore Funds by State | Fund Abortion Now.org

The government does not fund PP abortions.

Why do some people have such a tough time understanding that?
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Selective ignorance and conservative outrage. I think many religious fundamentalists in general, who comprise a surprisingly large percentage of the electorate are against the idea of any government funding towards birth control so they are using the abortion issue as a mask to cover up their true intentions, which is to legislate their sexual "morality" on everyone else.

If it was about economics and the governments role in providing these services at a subsidized cost, and they looked at the issue objectively they would know that the cost of unplanned pregnancies towards the people who need these services the most are far more astronomical than providing cheap birth control. I have quite a few friends as a 27 year old who have children and rely on government services such as WIC to feed their families. When all they had to do was get birth control.
 
WorldWatcher said:
That would be impossible, abstinence (in general and during a fertile cycle) is a form of birth control and for some it is the only form of birth control they support. But it is still support for a form of birth control.


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To be fair, I was't talking about abstinence because most of the ones who feel strongly in favor of abstinence are the ones who are against other forms of birth control, generally speaking, of course not everyone.
 
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