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Pro-choice Irish women go public on being 'exiled' by need for an abortion

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Pro-choice Irish women go public on being 'exiled' by need for an abortion | World news | The Guardian
Eleven Irish women who have travelled to Britain for abortions are allowing their names and faces to be published on the internet to highlight Ireland’s near-total ban on terminations.

The 11 are the first wave of an unprecedented project launched on Thursday to coincide with World Human Rights Day that will see dozens of women from Ireland going public about taking the abortion trail across the Irish Sea.

The publication of the women’s faces will be accompanied by a protest outside the gates of Trinity College Dublin with 12 pro-choice activists forming a human chain for 12 minutes. The figure marks the average number of Irish women and girls who go to Britain for terminations every day due to the almost total ban on abortions in the Republic’s hospitals.

Katie O’Neill, photographer of the pro-choice group X-ile Project, who took most of the pictures of the 11 women, said she instructed them to look straight at the lens in order to tell Ireland: “I am here – please look at me.”

Abortion in the Irish Republic is only permitted in extremely limited circumstances. Pro-choice campaigners both within and outside the Irish medical profession have argued that there is a major “chill factor” hanging over medical teams even in cases affected by the law passed in 2013.

The Protection of Life During Pregnancy Act 2013 allows for abortion when continuing with a pregnancy would result in the mother’s death, or in cases where the woman is suicidal. Despite this legislation, women who are victims of rape and in many cases suicidal are still refused abortions in Irish hospitals. The law also imposes a prison sentence of 14 years for any member of a medical team that carries out a termination beyond those limited exceptions.

O’Neill said the main aim of the new campaign was to “de-stigmatise abortion” by showing ordinary women who have been forced to leave their country. “We feel women are being exiled from Ireland due to legislation here that is not allowing women to access their full rights to medical care. On average over 12 women per day leave Ireland to access basic procedures in Britain that they should be able to have at home.
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"Destigmatize" needless and aggressive violence? Feh, barbarians.

Law should be strengthened and detritus like them should absolutely be exiled or face prison on return.
 
JayDubya said:
"Destigmatize" needless and aggressive violence? Feh, barbarians.

Law should be strengthened and detritus like them should absolutely be exiled or face prison on return.
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Extremism is bad M'Kay?
 
JayDubya said:
"Destigmatize" needless and aggressive violence? Feh, barbarians.

Law should be strengthened and detritus like them should absolutely be exiled or face prison on return.
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You could castrate any girl that has an abortion to prevent further casual killings.
 
joG said:
You could castrate any girl that has an abortion to prevent further casual killings.
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If you meant sterilization, then yes, such a punishment would prevent future killings fitting that m.o.

However, that's beyond the scope of the thread topic.
 
JayDubya said:
If you meant sterilization, then yes, such a punishment would prevent future killings fitting that m.o.

However, that's beyond the scope of the thread topic.
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such a punishment would prevent future killings fitting that m.o.
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Jay.. how do you expect any sizable number of people to support such an absurd proposal?
 
David_N said:
You know what's hilarious? Some people support this lunacy.
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What's not hilarious is that folks like you support the lunacy of restricting personhood from some human beings so they can be exploited or killed when convenient.

It's not funny both because such hate is ugly and because like an old joke, that kind of hate is tired, worn-out material, at least as old as human civilization.
 
David_N said:
You know what's hilarious? Some people support this lunacy.
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Actually, it was seriously discussed at one point. The argument at that time was that a girl should not really have serial abortions, as was the case in some areas. There had been a number of infections and the costs were also an issue.
 
joG said:
You could castrate any girl that has an abortion to prevent further casual killings.
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Castration is cruel and inhumane. Obviously you don't know what that entails. That means to remove their clitoris. That means that they can't ever experience an orgasm again.

I think what you're referring to is forcing a woman to have a tabulation (aka - having their tubes tied).

You have such a compassionate heart for women. :roll:
 
Removable Mind said:
Castration is cruel and inhumane. Obviously you don't know what that entails. That means to remove their clitoris. That means that they can't ever experience an orgasm again.

I think what you're referring to is forcing a woman to have a tabulation (aka - having their tubes tied).

You have such a compassionate heart for women. :roll:
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Some "pro lifers" are the most vile people I've ever encountered.
 
David_N said:
Some "pro lifers" are the most vile people I've ever encountered.
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Agree. But I think JoG had her terms mixed up. Having men castrated would be equally cruel and inhumane. Forcing a man to have his tubes tied...could be equally cruel...just like it would be forcing a woman to have hers tied.

FORCE is the operative word.
 
Scrabaholic said:
How do you castrate a female?
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Oophorectomy is the removal of the ovaries. I have never watched. Maybe you could look it up and find the operational procedures.
 
Removable Mind said:
Castration is cruel and inhumane. Obviously you don't know what that entails. That means to remove their clitoris. That means that they can't ever experience an orgasm again.

I think what you're referring to is forcing a woman to have a tabulation (aka - having their tubes tied).

You have such a compassionate heart for women. :roll:
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No. That is incorrect. What is removed are the ovaries this does not mean you cannot have an orgasm. You no longer have menstruation. There is a difference.
 
joG said:
Oophorectomy is the removal of the ovaries. I have never watched. Maybe you could look it up and find the operational procedures.
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When people say 'castrate', it's generally meant about a male.

I know what an Oophorectomy is, I also know that it puts a woman into early menopause, with all it's risks and affects. It's not a recommended b/c method and I doubt many, if any, doctors would be willing to do it without there being a compelling medical reason (ie. cancer). Perhaps YOU should do some research....
 
jog said:
no. That is incorrect. What is removed are the ovaries this does not mean you cannot have an orgasm. You no longer have menstruation. There is a difference.
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what?
 
Scrabaholic said:
When people say 'castrate', it's generally meant about a male.

I know what an Oophorectomy is, I also know that it puts a woman into early menopause, with all it's risks and affects. It's not a recommended b/c method and I doubt many, if any, doctors would be willing to do it without there being a compelling medical reason (ie. cancer). Perhaps YOU should do some research....
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True. That is, what pops to mind. I suppose I used the technical expression because the people here always speak of castration of female cats, where the effect is less grave.
 
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joG said:
You didn't realize that female castration meant removal of the ovaries and not the clitoris.
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You are more than welcome to provide links to support your claim that complete hysterectomies terminates a woman's ability to orgasm. There are unpleasant side effects, no doubt about it. But please support your claim that it will end a woman's ability to have an orgasm.

Q:
I'm planning to have a hysterectomy. Will my sex life change after this surgery?

A:
It depends on the type of hysterectomy you undergo.

If the doctor removes your ovaries along with your uterus, which occurs in about half of all hysterectomies in this country, then yes, your sexual desire may change. That’s because both testosterone and estrogen, hormones that are important in sexual desire and intercourse, are produced in the ovaries.

These glands produce about half of testosterone and nearly all of estrogen. While testosterone is thought to contribute mainly to desire, estrogen is important for healthy vaginal tissue, keeping it thick, moist and flexible. Without estrogen, vaginal tissue becomes drier and thinner, more likely to tear and lead to painful intercourse. While supplemental estrogen can prevent or minimize this, without it you may find the fear of pain prevents you from having sex.

Many studies, however, show an improvement in sexual function after a hysterectomy. This is likely because the surgery eliminates the pain, bleeding or other symptoms that may have caused problems with sex. Also, the surgery eliminates the possibility of pregnancy, thus making sex more gratifying for some women.

Sex after a Hysterectomy | HealthyWomen
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Nowhere does it say that women can't orgasm after their ovaries are removed. It can cause some women to experience a loss of intenity or quality of orgasm, but doesn't kill the physical mechanism, which allows women to orgasm.

Even MEN can have an orgasm after having their testicles are removed. They will have to take testosterone shots, but they can still have health orgasm. IF A MAN HAS A RADICAL PROSTATE REMOVAL then all of the nerves, which all for an orgasm are usually damaged to the point that it is very difficult to can't have an orgasm.

Hysterectomy Doesn't Affect Women's Sex Lives, Study Finds

Sex After Hysterectomy | University of Maryland Medical Center

By the way, the term female castration is linked to two related terms.

1) Female genital mutilation

2) Female circumcision

Both the above does massive damage to a woman's physical attributes, which allows her to have an orgasm.

So to give you a little assistance in your quest to reply with information simply type in the following in Google: female castration
 
joG said:
No. That is incorrect. What is removed are the ovaries this does not mean you cannot have an orgasm. You no longer have menstruation. There is a difference.
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OPPPPS! Lo Siento, joG. I misread with regard to "orgasms".

Removing ovaries still isn't castration. I still want a source (link).

See previous post #22....

The term female castration is linked to two related terms.

1) Female genital mutilation

2) Female circumcision

Both the above does massive damage to a woman's physical attributes, which allows her to have an orgasm.

So to give you a little assistance in your quest to reply with information simply type in the following in Google: female castration
 
Removable Mind said:
You are more than welcome to provide links to support your claim that complete hysterectomies terminates a woman's ability to orgasm. There are unpleasant side effects, no doubt about it. But please support your claim that it will end a woman's ability to have an orgasm.
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I did not read the rest, as I had not said, what you say I said. Is that due to excitement, lack of concentration or other?
 
Removable Mind said:
OPPPPS! Lo Siento, joG. I misread with regard to "orgasms".

Removing ovaries still isn't castration. I still want a source (link).

See previous post #22....

The term female castration is linked to two related terms.

1) Female genital mutilation

2) Female circumcision

Both the above does massive damage to a woman's physical attributes, which allows her to have an orgasm.

So to give you a little assistance in your quest to reply with information simply type in the following in Google: female castration
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Here: "Removal of the ovaries in women is the biological equivalent of castration in males; however, the term castration is only occasionally used in the medical literature to refer to oophorectomy in humans. In the veterinary sciences, the complete removal of the ovaries, oviducts, uterine horns, and the uterus is called spaying and is a form of sterilization."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oophorectomy
 
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