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Antiabortion rhetoric unwittingly unleashes the unhinged

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The antiabortion movement has become a joke.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...hpid=hp_no-name_opinion-card-e:homepage/story
Ted Cruz, however, isn’t so sure. “The media promptly wants to blame him on the pro-life movement when at this point there’s very little evidence to indicate that,” the Republican presidential candidate said in Iowa on Sunday afternoon.
Um, but what about the law enforcement official telling The Washington Post and others that Dear (who distributed anti-Obama pamphlets, according to a neighbor) explained the shooting by saying “no more baby parts”?
In one sense, I agree with Cruz. The antiabortion movement did not kill those three people in Colorado Springs. The one responsible is the deranged gunman himself. But it’s a different matter to ask whether the often-violent imagery used by conservative leaders on abortion is unwittingly giving the unhinged some perverse sense of justification to contemplate the unspeakable.

Just days before the shooting, Cruz trumpeted an endorsement from an antiabortion activist who once called killing an abortion doctor a “justifiable defensive action” and who leads a group, Operation Rescue, where a colleague did prison time for a conspiracy to bomb an abortion clinic.

The activist whose endorsement Cruz celebrated, Troy Newman, is also on the board of the Center for Medical Progress, which made the surreptitious Planned Parenthood videos that prompted Cruz and many other conservatives to accuse the organization of selling “baby parts” — the phrase Dear allegedly used. The videos, including footage from a Planned Parenthood in Denver, not far from Colorado Springs, were followed by a wave of threats and smaller attacks on the organization’s facilities.

Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee, who has flirted with the idea of using federal troops to block access to abortion, dismissed the Supreme Court’s authority and said that we should “protect children instead of rip up their body parts and sell them like they’re parts to a Buick.”


Newman, the Operation Rescue official whose endorsement Cruz touted, has called women who have abortions “murderesses.” He said societal responsibility “rightly involves executing convicted murderers, including abortionists, for their crimes in order to expunge bloodguilt from the land.” Australia, calling Newman a risk to the community, revoked his visa to visit the country this fall.

Newman and his organization say they are peaceful and law-abiding. That may be so. But in an environment where such a man and message are embraced by a top-tier presidential candidate, we shouldn’t be surprised if people with a few screws loose get other ideas.
 
I don't see that anyone made themselves a "joke" beyond the sick attempt of using the incident to defend PP. But that is less a joke than unappetizing.

Hm?
Newman, the Operation Rescue official whose endorsement Cruz touted, has called women who have abortions “murderesses.” He said societal responsibility “rightly involves executing convicted murderers, including abortionists, for their crimes in order to expunge bloodguilt from the land.” Australia, calling Newman a risk to the community, revoked his visa to visit the country this fall.

Newman and his organization say they are peaceful and law-abiding. That may be so. But in an environment where such a man and message are embraced by a top-tier presidential candidate, we shouldn’t be surprised if people with a few screws loose get other ideas.
Listen to GOP rhetoric on planned parenthood and get back to me.
 
Hm?

Listen to GOP rhetoric on planned parenthood and get back to me.

I don't see that your example make a joke of anything. Lots of people and mot traditional Christian moral thinking conclude that abortion is equivalent to murder. This is why I am actually quite surprised that not more violence is brought to bare.
 
I don't see that your example make a joke of anything. Lots of people and mot traditional Christian moral thinking conclude that abortion is equivalent to murder.
Yet they do not want to jail women. What kind of person would not want to punish murder?
 
Quote the Pope where he said that women should be jailed.

I don't believe the proposed punishment is jail. The punishment is self inflicted excommunication. The worldly punishment for participation in what he called mass murder comparable to the Holocaust is for worldly courts. When the craziness had settled last time, we hanged some and incarcerated others for participation in the Holocaust. The Russians and Chinese on the other hand did not allow the perpetrators in their bursts of mass killing to be punished for the slaughter.
 
The scum who work for Planned Parenthood kill innocent human beings in cold blood every day and they belong in prison forever.

If stating the fact that they belong in prison enrages folks, good, it should - we need motivated folks for a sustained political fight to replace illiterate scumbag judges.

If some people are impatient and become vigilantes, that's on them.

TL;DR - "Sorry, not sorry."
 
I don't believe the proposed punishment is jail. The punishment is self inflicted excommunication. The worldly punishment for participation in what he called mass murder comparable to the Holocaust is for worldly courts. When the craziness had settled last time, we hanged some and incarcerated others for participation in the Holocaust. The Russians and Chinese on the other hand did not allow the perpetrators in their bursts of mass killing to be punished for the slaughter.

Can you please post a quote where the Pope called abortion 'mass murder?' It's entirely possible, but I'd love to see it, in context.

Where did he say that? Was it the current Pope or one from the past?
 
Can you please post a quote where the Pope called abortion 'mass murder?' It's entirely possible, but I'd love to see it, in context.

Where did he say that? Was it the current Pope or one from the past?

You are right. It was not the present Pope but the two last ones. It is important to note, however, that the thinking is not restricted to the head of the church, where the thought is widely acceptable nor to the RC. The Jewish congregations dislike the comparison, though, which is why Ratzinger tried to soften statements by his then boss. But you will be able to see that in the texts.

I am surprised that someone that say they are interested in a topic does not know their enemies. ;)
I am sorry that I cannot give you the quote from the Benedict booklet as I donated all my books to the county jail, when I moved to Spain. No fret, most of the books were not economics, sociology and ethics but belletristic like Camus, Huxley or Herbert ;) .

But I did a quick google and have some stuff that might help you. Of course, you would have to read further than this to get the whole picture. For instance Benedikt says that John Paul did not really want to compare abortion to the Holocaust in "Memory and Identity" BBC NEWS | Europe | Pope likens abortion to Holocaust . On the other hand he writes in a 1991 paper: "A violent attack is made on life in the womb by abortion (evidence shows that there are 30 to 40 million a year worldwide), and to facilitate abortion millions have been invested to develop abortifacient pills (RU 486). Millions more have been budgeted for making contraception less harmful to women, with the result that most chemical contraceptives on sale now act primarily against implantation, i.e., as abortifacients, without women knowing it. Who will be able to calculate the number of victims from this unseen holocaust?" Abortion - Pro Life - Cardinal Ratzinger on the War Against Human Life; Legalized Abortion by Continent .
But the Jewish congregation certainly understood the book so. "....Pope John Paul II who, in his 2005 book Memory and Identity, compared abortion to the Holocaust. He wrote that both abortion and the murder of six million Jews were the result of humans under the guise of democracy usurping the “law of God.” " And Meissner seems to have confirmed the impression "In another incident involving the Catholic Church, the Archbishop of Cologne in Germany, Cardinal Joachim Meisner, “provoked much unrest when he put women who had had an abortion in a row with mass murderers like Hitler, Stalin and Herod. He compares abortion to the Holocaust and the abortion pill with Zyklon B, the gas used by the Nazis in the extermination camps.” " Holocaust Trivialization | Jerusalem Center For Public Affairs .

There are further instances that might be mentioned. I only linked two more below; one by a German Cardinal and one by a leader of the Orthodox Church.

Umstrittener Bischof - Mixas Holocaust-Vergleich - Bayern - Süddeutsche.de
Abtreibung: ‚Der schlimmste Holocaust der Geschichte’
 
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I don't believe the proposed punishment is jail. The punishment is self inflicted excommunication. The worldly punishment for participation in what he called mass murder comparable to the Holocaust is for worldly courts. When the craziness had settled last time, we hanged some and incarcerated others for participation in the Holocaust. The Russians and Chinese on the other hand did not allow the perpetrators in their bursts of mass killing to be punished for the slaughter.
So nothing rational, just religion...
 
So nothing rational, just religion...

Well, no. It is not only a religious thing to forbid killing humans. But I hope you know that.
 
Well, no. It is not only a religious thing to forbid killing humans. But I hope you know that.

Humans aren't human if prometeus hates them, didn't you know?
 
The scum who work for Planned Parenthood kill innocent human beings in cold blood every day and they belong in prison forever.

If stating the fact that they belong in prison enrages folks, good, it should - we need motivated folks for a sustained political fight to replace illiterate scumbag judges.

If some people are impatient and become vigilantes, that's on them.

TL;DR - "Sorry, not sorry."

I pasted the above statement as yet another example of what we can read in the quotes following in regards to stochastic terrorism. Though not a commentary by a well-known media figure, the words may be read by hundreds, if not thousands of people over the next few years - "nothing disappears once it's on the internets

The oldest definition I could find for stochastic terrorism from an anonymous blog written in 2011
Stochastic terrorism is the use of mass communications to incite random actors to carry out violent or terrorist acts that are statistically predictable but individually unpredictable. In short, remote-control murder by lone wolf.

This is what occurs when Bin Laden releases a video that stirs random extremists halfway around the globe to commit a bombing or shooting.

This is also the term for what Beck, O'Reilly, Hannity, and others do. And this is what led directly and predictably to a number of cases of ideologically-motivated murder similar to the Tucson shootings. (Gabby Gifford shooting)

stochastic adjective
randomly determined; having a random probability distribution or pattern that may be analyzed statistically but may not be predicted precisely.

Here's how it works:
(T)he person or persons who have triggered the triggerman, in other words, the actual stochastic terrorists, often go free, protected by plausible deniability. The formula is perversely brilliant:

  1. A public figure with access to the airwaves or pulpit demonizes a person or group of persons.
  2. With repetition, the targeted person or group is gradually dehumanized, depicted as loathsome and dangerous—arousing a combustible combination of fear and moral disgust.
  3. Violent images and metaphors, jokes about violence, analogies to past “purges” against reviled groups, use of righteous religious language—all of these typically stop just short of an explicit call to arms.
  4. When violence erupts, the public figures who have incited the violence condemn it—claiming no one could possibly have foreseen the “tragedy.”

It's not just one 'unknown wack-job, named Josh Feuerstein, there are many other politicians and preachers using just as inflammatory speech in attacking Planned Parenthood all the while they "deplore" the shootings and deaths which are a direct result of their words.

from 2013:
How the right plays with murder: The antiabortion movement’s cycle of violence
Here’s how this works: The more radical antiabortion groups rally their supporters around a small handful of doctors and clinics who they’ve decided are particularly bad. They use offensive, overhyped language to impress upon their (often very religious, sometimes young) followers the urgency of the situation, telling them that they are literally the only bulwarks standing between life and death for thousands of babies. They compare abortion clinic workers to Hitler, to Nazis, to mass murderers. Right-wing radio, blogs, news shows and other media pick up on those talking points and disseminate them to wider audiences.
Everyday, one can read such comparisons on this debate forum but when one 'lone wolf' goes out and commits a crime - "FREE SPEECH!! I didn't say anyone should go and really kill someone, that was just a crazy person!"
 
Examples of Principle #4: When violence erupts, the public figures who have incited the violence condemn it—claiming no one could possibly have foreseen the “tragedy.”
Examples of those who have the megaphone, denying their words could be held responsible for the tragedy, while at the same time basically saying the attacks were justified

Fiorina also responded to the shooting Sunday, calling the attack a “tragedy.” But she denied that rhetoric about Planned Parenthood selling babies’ body parts could have contributed to violence towards the organization.

Fox News Sunday host Chris Wallace asked Sunday whether language by Fiorina, who Wallace called “one of the toughest critics… of Planned Parenthood’s alleged harvesting of body parts,” could have incited violence against the organization. Fiorina brushed off the idea and reiterated claims that Planned Parenthood sells baby parts.

Colorado Springs Republican accuses Planned Parenthood of ‘genocide’ in prayer after shooting

Republicans reject link between anti-abortion rhetoric and Colorado shooting

“We don’t know fully what the facts are,” Huckabee said, in an appearance on CNN. “Regardless of why [the gunman] did it, what he did is domestic terrorism and what he did is absolutely abominable, especially to those of us in the pro-life movement, because there’s nothing about any of us that would condone or in any way look the other way at something like this.”

He added: “There’s no legitimizing, there’s no rationalizing, it was mass murder. It was absolutely unfathomable and there’s no excuse for killing other people, whether it’s happening inside the Planned Parenthood headquarters, inside their clinics where many millions of babies die, or whether it’s people attacking Planned Parenthood.”

<sarcasm> Oh well stated, Reverend Huckabee! Killing people at a Planned Parenthood clinic is just the same as the abortions performed at the clinic. </sarcasm>

“I don’t know any pro-life leader who has suggested violence toward Planned Parenthood personnel or some act of violence toward their clinics. I’ve heard universal condemnation,” he said.

“I think that’s a little bit disingenuous on the part of Planned Parenthood to blame people who have a strong philosophical disagreement with the dismembering of human babies and with the selling of body parts to say that we would like to retaliate by sending some madman into a clinic to kill people. God knows that’s not what anybody would want.”
 
I pasted the above statement as yet another example of what we can read in the quotes following in regards to stochastic terrorism. Though not a commentary by a well-known media figure, the words may be read by hundreds, if not thousands of people over the next few years - "nothing disappears once it's on the internets

I have no problem if hundreds if not thousands of people read what I say about the ****ing monsters at Planned Parenthood who belong in prison until they are under a prison.

I also have never given any support for vigilantism against them; I want the police and courts and legislatures to do their job and protect the human right to life.

I absolutely do have free speech, and I absolutely didn't say anyone should go out and shoot up a Planned Parenthood. If someone does so, that's entirely on them.

For the record, I am not a telepath.
 
Killing people at a Planned Parenthood clinic is just the same as the abortions performed at the clinic.

Yes, exactly. Killing a human being in aggression is the same thing as killing a human being in aggression.
 
Two comments I'd make here:

1. We have another thread here on DP, on the exact same matter, attempting to blame Ted Cruz for the murderous run of Dear in Colorado Springs. It fits with liberal thinking, as well as pro-abortion thinking, that no individual can be truly responsible for their own actions and the consequences of their own actions. It's bleated in the DP abortion threads constantly that no woman who doesn't want a baby wants to get pregnant, as if immaculate conception is rampant in America. Women are helpless in the onslaught of demon sperm that infect them and turn them into zygote victims. Likewise, it appears, Dear was a perfectly normal man who was driven to a murderous rampage because Planned Parenthood was exposed. On that logic, Dear should be acquitted and allowed to go free.

2. I'm glad that again, in this OP, it's noted that Dear was distributing anti-Obama literature in his neighbourhood. I've also seen on TV that one of his neighbours, a woman who happened to work at this particular Planned Parenthood office, was on friendly terms with Dear. I wonder why nobody in these pro-abortion threads is condemning President Obama for his rhetoric and the particular role he may have played in sending Dear on his rampage? Maybe President Obama saying he would veto any Congressional bill that moved to defund Planned Parenthood was what sent Dear over the edge. It's as plausible as blaming Ted Cruz.
 
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