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Planned Parenthood

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distraff

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I want to debate whether the federal government should fund planned parenthood. Many of you may have heard of a hearing by the House Republicans where they grilled the Planned Parenthood president Cecile Richards. At the end of the hearing they tried to show that PP was becoming more and more an abortion provider. They presented this graph:
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She rebutted them by saying that the source was from "Americans United for Life" a pro-life organization not directly from Planned Parenthood data like it was claimed.
I did some research and the real graph is:
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A breakdown of its current services is below:
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Planned parenthood is a non-profit organization that gets reimburses by the government for the health services it provides to millions of women. It does a few abortion services and provides this tissue at no profit for research to cure disease but this is a small part of what it does and this is not reimbursed by the government.
 
So, someone else in this debate (this time... Americans United for Life) manipulated a data graph to look more pronounced in some areas just to make a point.

I'm shocked... anyone else?
 
Keep funding them but stop doing abortions or change the name to "Unplanned Parenthood"
 
I don't want the government funding planned parenthood.

NOT because of being pro life OR pro choice.

But, because it simply is NOT the government's job to do so.

It's why I'm against things like Obamacare and mandatory insurance etc...


It simply is NOT constitutional, and this was NOT what our government was meant for.
 
327,000 abortions equals small part of their operations. Nothing to see here people.
 
Derp said:
Keep funding them but stop doing abortions or change the name to "Unplanned Parenthood"
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The idea is that abortion makes planning easier.
 
Henrin said:
327,000 abortions equals small part of their operations. Nothing to see here people.
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Excellent, we agree. Especially compared to 935,000 cancer screenings, 4.5 million std screenings and over 3.5 million contraception visits. Well done sir!
 
Hari Seldon said:
Excellent, we agree. Especially compared to 935,000 cancer screenings, 4.5 million std screenings and over 3.5 million contraception visits. Well done sir!
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327,000 abortions is a **** ton of abortions. Or put in another way, that is 327,000 lost lives due to abortions they took part in.
 
Ancient Herald said:
I don't want the government funding planned parenthood.

NOT because of being pro life OR pro choice.

But, because it simply is NOT the government's job to do so.

It's why I'm against things like Obamacare and mandatory insurance etc...


It simply is NOT constitutional, and this was NOT what our government was meant for.
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Do you want the government to stop funding all clinics and hospitals, or just PP?
 
Derp said:
Yes I get that, but if you're having an abortion that means an unplanned one got past the goalie
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Good point. :lol:
 
Derp said:
Keep funding them but stop doing abortions or change the name to "Unplanned Parenthood"
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The thing is that abortion isn't illegal and they are not being funded for their abortion activities. Non-profit organizations do not need to obey right-wing political positions, they simply have to obey the law and provide needed services.
 
Ancient Herald said:
I don't want the government funding planned parenthood.

NOT because of being pro life OR pro choice.

But, because it simply is NOT the government's job to do so.

It's why I'm against things like Obamacare and mandatory insurance etc...


It simply is NOT constitutional, and this was NOT what our government was meant for.
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First off, this organization is providing Medicaid-funded healthcare. This is an alternative to the government both funding and providing the healthcare directly. I don't see how defunding planned parenthood fixes the problems you brought up. You seem to be against Medicare itself. That is a different debate.
 
Henrin said:
327,000 abortions is a **** ton of abortions. Or put in another way, that is 327,000 lost lives due to abortions they took part in.
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Planned Parenthood provides about 300,000 abortions every year and there are about 1,000,000 abortions every year so they do about 30%. I don't believe in late-term abortion however this is a small percent of abortions. If Planned Parenthood did not provide abortions, someone else will. That is a fact. Also, the federal funding they do get does not include abortion and they are funded for contraception, cancer screenings, and STD testing and STD testing. They work to fights against cancer, and STDs saving lives.
 
distraff said:
Planned Parenthood provides about 300,000 abortions every year and there are about 1,000,000 abortions every year so they do about 30%. I don't believe in late-term abortion however this is a small percent of abortions. If Planned Parenthood did not provide abortions, someone else will. That is a fact. Also, the federal funding they do get does not include abortion and they are funded for contraception, cancer screenings, and STD testing and STD testing. They work to fights against cancer, and STDs saving lives.
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Just because someone else will provide abortions if planned parenthood doesn't isn't an excuse for them providing them. Someone will rob others if you don't, but that doesn't excuse you from any robberies you might commit. If you consciously decide to commit any sort of action in your life then you're responsible for that action. It doesn't matter if your action stops someone else from doing it. What matters is that you did it, and only that you did it. Excusing yourself by saying someone else will do it if I don't is just a childs excuse when they know they did wrong.

It also doesn't matter what else they provide. As long as they provide abortions they are not deserving of any sort of respect and surely shouldn't be chosen to be provided assistance.
 
Planned Parenthood is just as much of a political action group as it is any kind of health provider. So, yeah, I object to tax money going to support a political action group. It funny how they want to be the face of "safe, legal abortion" yet so many object that they're primarily known for providing abortions.
 
X Factor said:
Planned Parenthood is just as much of a political action group as it is any kind of health provider. So, yeah, I object to tax money going to support a political action group.
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Hospitals, doctors, nurses and other providers spend far more money lobbying the govt than PP does. Do you want tax money to stop going to them too?

I ask because I'm wondering how many people you're willing to see die
 
Henrin said:
Just because someone else will provide abortions if planned parenthood doesn't isn't an excuse for them providing them.
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All I am saying is that defunding them will not affect their abortion services or abortion rates overall. This is not even funded by the government is a very small part of their operation. The only effect defunding them would have is that many women would lose STD, contraception, and cancer services harming lives and costing lives.

It also doesn't matter what else they provide. As long as they provide abortions they are not deserving of any sort of respect and surely shouldn't be chosen to be provided assistance.
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If you love life so much who do you insist defunding the part of their service that saves lives? Defunding them won't stop abortions and will harm people's lives.
 
X Factor said:
Planned Parenthood is just as much of a political action group as it is any kind of health provider. So, yeah, I object to tax money going to support a political action group. It funny how they want to be the face of "safe, legal abortion" yet so many object that they're primarily known for providing abortions.
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I would be totally ok with funding the GOP for cancer treatments provided as long as that research saves lives and has nothing to do with their political organization. As long as we are not funding the political action there is no financial conflict of interest and the funding goes to a good cause. Would you be against the government funding religious organizations for charity they provide?
 
distraff said:
All I am saying is that defunding them will not affect their abortion services or abortion rates overall. This is not even funded by the government is a very small part of their operation. The only effect defunding them would have is that many women would lose STD, contraception, and cancer services harming lives and costing lives.



If you love life so much who do you insist defunding the part of their service that saves lives? Defunding them won't stop abortions and will harm people's lives.
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Ok, so if I have a dollar and I decide to not give it to you is that an action that is harming you? How about if there is an old woman crossing the street and I decide to not save her from the car that is about to hit her. Did I hurt her by not saving her from being hit by the car? How is the government deciding to not give Planned Parenthood money hurting people? How is deciding to not help people the same thing as hurting them?
 
Henrin said:
Ok, so if I have a dollar and I decide to not give it to you is that an action that is harming you? How about if there is an old woman crossing the street and I decide to not save her from the car that is about to hit her. Did I hurt her by not saving her from being hit by the car? How is the government deciding to not give Planned Parenthood money hurting people? How is deciding to not help people the same thing as hurting them?
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Because planned parenthood is very good at providing healthcare to women and is a well-established wide-spread service. 60% of women's healthcare goes through them. They are basically the Google of women's healthcare. Defunding them would cause a lot of people to lose access for getting quality healthcare.

Another point is that if we choose how to fund organizations by political motivations then whenever the conservatives are in charge, organizations that do liberal things will lose government funding. When liberals are in charge organizations that do conservative things will lose government funding. This makes funding unstable and based on politics.

We should make sure politics never gets in the way of helping people. Only 3% of what planned parenthood does is abortion and only a tiny percent of abortions are late-term. Also, defunding planned parenthood will have little impact on the number of abortions anyway. I vote that we let them to continue to use government money to help people's lives.
 
distraff said:
I would be totally ok with funding the GOP for cancer treatments provided as long as that research saves lives and has nothing to do with their political organization. As long as we are not funding the political action there is no financial conflict of interest and the funding goes to a good cause. Would you be against the government funding religious organizations for charity they provide?
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Funding any of Planned Parenthood means freeing up other funds for their political action which you're totally fine with just because providing abortions is something you like and support. If it were some vocal pro life, Christian group that did all the same things, would you be equally supportive of them?
 
distraff said:
Because planned parenthood is very good at providing healthcare to women and is a well-established wide-spread service. 60% of women's healthcare goes through them. They are basically the Google of women's healthcare. Defunding them would cause a lot of people to lose access for getting quality healthcare.

Another point is that if we choose how to fund organizations by political motivations then whenever the conservatives are in charge, organizations that do liberal things will lose government funding. When liberals are in charge organizations that do conservative things will lose government funding. This makes funding unstable and based on politics.

We should make sure politics never gets in the way of helping people. Only 3% of what planned parenthood does is abortion and only a tiny percent of abortions are late-term. Also, defunding planned parenthood will have little impact on the number of abortions anyway. I vote that we let them to continue to use government money to help people's lives.
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And perform as many abortions as possible and be vocal proponents and the face of abortion.

You know Planned Parenthood does not operate where I live (a fact for which I'm incredibly happy). Not because of anything evil pro lifers did, but because one of these sainted folks stole all the money, they went bankrupt and had to close their doors here, and guess what? Those health services are provided for by other providers (including abortion, a fact for which I'm not happy about). This notion that if PP doesn't do it, it won't happen anymore is silly. Still, I know you'll defend PP at all cost, all supporters do. They're a sacred cow of sorts, regardless of what they do.
 
distraff said:
Because planned parenthood is very good at providing healthcare to women and is a well-established wide-spread service. 60% of women's healthcare goes through them. They are basically the Google of women's healthcare. Defunding them would cause a lot of people to lose access for getting quality healthcare.

Another point is that if we choose how to fund organizations by political motivations then whenever the conservatives are in charge, organizations that do liberal things will lose government funding. When liberals are in charge organizations that do conservative things will lose government funding. This makes funding unstable and based on politics.

We should make sure politics never gets in the way of helping people. Only 3% of what planned parenthood does is abortion and only a tiny percent of abortions are late-term. Also, defunding planned parenthood will have little impact on the number of abortions anyway. I vote that we let them to continue to use government money to help people's lives.
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I don't think you quite understand the realities of helping people and not helping people. If I don't provide you assistance then I have not done anything to improve your condition, but if I provide you resources to help you then I have acted to improve your condition. If the government was to stop funding Planned Parenthood they would not be harming anyone, but just not providing planned parenthood the funds they use to provide people with assistance. This might mean that less people don't receive certain services, but it wouldn't mean anyone is being harmed.
 
Henrin said:
I don't think you quite understand the realities of helping people and not helping people. If I don't provide you assistance then I have not done anything to improve your condition, but if I provide you resources to help you then I have acted to improve your condition. If the government was to stop funding Planned Parenthood they would not be harming anyone, but just not providing planned parenthood the funds they use to provide people with assistance. This might mean that less people don't receive certain services, but it wouldn't mean anyone is being harmed.
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Why do people insist that Planned Parenthood must be funded by federal taxpayers or health care for women would cease to exist? Just as we, on the right, often support charities we believe in, why can't those who feel PP is a great and worth cause donate their own money to it? I honestly think many of their supporters enjoy the fact that those who don't support them, have to support them anyway.
 
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