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Right, because unwanted babies are so much better than abortion... [W:179]

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Newborn girl found buried alive near Compton riverbed - LA Times

A call came in to the Compton sheriff’s station the day after Thanksgiving: A baby was crying near a riverbed at 136th Street and Slater Avenue.
Two sheriff’s deputies who went to the scene around 4 p.m. zeroed in on the muffled cries, according to a news release by Sgt. Marvin Jaramilla of the sheriff’s Special Victims Bureau.
Inside a crevice on a bike path along the riverbank, they found a newborn girl, buried under pieces of asphalt and rubble.
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And this is just one that was found, who knows how many are never found, unwanted children of women who had no access to abortion, no access to pre-natal care so no one knew they were pregnant. Not to mention the horrors children whose mothers that didn't want them but kept them anyway, like my mother, face for years, decades even. Some are much worse even than mine was.

Yep, being an unwanted child is so much grander than being aborted... NOT usually. Let's hope this child survives and thrives and doesn't end up in the "system."
 
Summerwind said:
Newborn girl found buried alive near Compton riverbed - LA Times



And this is just one that was found, who knows how many are never found, unwanted children of women who had no access to abortion, no access to pre-natal care so no one knew they were pregnant. Not to mention the horrors children whose mothers that didn't want them but kept them anyway, like my mother, face for years, decades even. Some are much worse even than mine was.

Yep, being an unwanted child is so much grander than being aborted... NOT usually. Let's hope this child survives and thrives and doesn't end up in the "system."
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So your theory is that abortion stops horrible people from being even more horrible... :popcorn:
 
Summerwind said:
Newborn girl found buried alive near Compton riverbed - LA Times



And this is just one that was found, who knows how many are never found, unwanted children of women who had no access to abortion, no access to pre-natal care so no one knew they were pregnant. Not to mention the horrors children whose mothers that didn't want them but kept them anyway, like my mother, face for years, decades even. Some are much worse even than mine was.

Yep, being an unwanted child is so much grander than being aborted... NOT usually. Let's hope this child survives and thrives and doesn't end up in the "system."
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So just...want your children. Problem = solved.
 
Summerwind said:
Newborn girl found buried alive near Compton riverbed - LA Times



And this is just one that was found, who knows how many are never found, unwanted children of women who had no access to abortion, no access to pre-natal care so no one knew they were pregnant. Not to mention the horrors children whose mothers that didn't want them but kept them anyway, like my mother, face for years, decades even. Some are much worse even than mine was.

Yep, being an unwanted child is so much grander than being aborted... NOT usually. Let's hope this child survives and thrives and doesn't end up in the "system."
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You're trying to sell the idea this child's mother had no access to abortion, and no access to pre-natal care, in California, especially in Southern California?

What a complete load of BS.

They even have a program in LA County that allows women to drop off babies at hospitals or fire stations in the state, no questions asked.

SSB Home
 
ocean515 said:
You're trying to sell the idea this child's mother had no access to abortion, and no access to pre-natal care, in California, especially in Southern California?

What a complete load of BS.

They even have a program in LA County that allows women to drop off babies at hospitals or fire stations in the state, no questions asked.

SSB Home
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Abortion isn't the political football it used to be. It seems some people don't know when they've won.
 
Jerry said:
Abortion isn't the political football it used to be. It seems some people don't know when they've won.
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Indeed Jerry. Is it possible the effort has resulted in some viewing life at this stage so callously they don't think twice about burying the results alive?

The reason California came up with the Safely Surrendered Baby Law, was because of this callous disregard. Too many newborns showing up in trash cans, and dumped in alleys.

Cause and effect? I don't know.

What I do know is there are some who twist facts into such tortured pretzels they come up with statements like the one in the OP.
 
Summerwind said:
Newborn girl found buried alive near Compton riverbed - LA Times



And this is just one that was found, who knows how many are never found, unwanted children of women who had no access to abortion, no access to pre-natal care so no one knew they were pregnant. Not to mention the horrors children whose mothers that didn't want them but kept them anyway, like my mother, face for years, decades even. Some are much worse even than mine was.

Yep, being an unwanted child is so much grander than being aborted... NOT usually. Let's hope this child survives and thrives and doesn't end up in the "system."
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Where is this desolate region of the country where this woman lived and had no access to abortion or pre-natal care?

I'm very sorry your mother didn't want you. That is one of the saddest things I've ever read here. :(
 
It has always been a bigger conversation than any one event where a newborn is killed, or some other instance of a clothing hanger abortion that ends in medical emergency.

Our issue is always the same, having to deal with the reality of a government that dictates what happens to pregnancy vs. having to deal with the reality of a society that turns to abortion all too often.

There is a solution that while not perfect gets to the root of the issue. That happens to be dealing with the person, and it happens to be education and access to preventative measures to cut down on unwanted pregnancy. We do that and we get further than the consequences of government involvement in pregnancies or today's concerns over the number of abortions.
 
WCH said:
'Some' as in 50+ million?
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I don't know numbers and never claimed to. Is 50+ million "some instances to you"? If so, then yes, if not, then no.

I do know about mental illness and it is a reality and so is child abuse and child poverty and child hunger.

If the anti-abortion tribe would openly address some of these concerns the two sides could in fact work together to reduce the number of abortions.
 
_Sal said:
I don't know numbers and never claimed to. Is 50+ million "some instances to you"? If so, then yes, if not, then no.

I do know about mental illness and it is a reality and so is child abuse and child poverty and child hunger.

If the anti-abortion tribe would openly address some of these concerns the two sides could in fact work together to reduce the number of abortions.
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I would say the vast majority of abortions are out of pure convenience. Who's addressing that?
 
Summerwind said:
Newborn girl found buried alive near Compton riverbed - LA Times



And this is just one that was found, who knows how many are never found, unwanted children of women who had no access to abortion, no access to pre-natal care so no one knew they were pregnant. Not to mention the horrors children whose mothers that didn't want them but kept them anyway, like my mother, face for years, decades even. Some are much worse even than mine was.

Yep, being an unwanted child is so much grander than being aborted... NOT usually. Let's hope this child survives and thrives and doesn't end up in the "system."
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So we should kill other children because this child was killed? Or we should make excuses for people wanting to kill children? What exactly is your point here? Are you against killing children or just killing them a certain way?
 
_Sal said:
you would say that why?
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Because it's true. The vast majority of abortions are because the women just don't want a baby, think they can't handle a baby, think they won't have the money for a baby, etc.
 
_Sal said:
wow, that is an over the top and undeserved personal attack
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Yes, wishing that someone had been killed is arguably a personal attack.
 
Crovax said:
So your theory is that abortion stops horrible people from being even more horrible... :popcorn:
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Yes, let's enable further pain and suffering and death just so we can judge (but not stop) others.
 
ocean515 said:
You're trying to sell the idea this child's mother had no access to abortion, and no access to pre-natal care, in California, especially in Southern California?

What a complete load of BS.

They even have a program in LA County that allows women to drop off babies at hospitals or fire stations in the state, no questions asked.

SSB Home
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Right because, for example though I have not information supporting this supposition, a teen migrant worker who doesn't speak English, has been told by her "coyotes" to never approach a cop or other government agent/agency or she'll be taken into custody and held for months or longer in jail, maybe even raped by the coyotes so as to not at all want the child, .... I'm sorry, but given all the bizarre hatred that some people in the country have thrown in their direction, until/unless I find out otherwise, I'm going to assume that like many other alive or dead newborns found in dumpsters and such are the tragic result of not have access to affordable (free if necessary) abortion.
 
WCH said:
I would say the vast majority of abortions are out of pure convenience. Who's addressing that?
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I've asked you to justify how the entirety of any person's life is considered 'conveniences' many times and you have yet to answer.

I mean if all our lives amount to is a bunch of strung-together 'conveniences,' why bother wishing babies be born at all? Or why are the unborn more entitled to all those 'conveniences' than women, since you would force her to sacrifice her rights, self-determination, 'conveniences,' even her life, to give the same exact things to the unborn?
 
We dont know why this woman abandoned this newborn. It's incredibly sad.

Many teens and women dont even know they are pregnant until very late...or even labor (I know, I have NO idea how that happens but it does)...and are completely unprepared, in pain, and terrified. THey have them in bathroom stalls and alleys and then have no way of dealing with it. I am not justifying it. It's awful.

Others, like Summerwind mentioned, are not aware of their options here in the US and also may face very hard traditional family judgements if they tell their families. I think they probably imagine punishment worse than it would be from their families but what determines their actions is what they believe at that time and their fear.

I doubt this happened because there was limited access to abortion, but more to desperation and fear. And ignorance of her options. It's tragedy.
 
_Sal said:
wow, that is an over the top and undeserved personal attack
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He believes that using birth control should be a capital offense.

Ask him.
 
Josie said:
Because it's true. The vast majority of abortions are because the women just don't want a baby, think they can't handle a baby, think they won't have the money for a baby, etc.
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So you think they should have them anyway then? Just 'buck up' and maybe lose the job they have that helps support their current family? Or decide instead she'd rather just take taxpayer $ for public assistance rather than have a kid she didnt even want to begin with? That doesnt sound very responsible, nor a very good situation for a kid if not even wanted.
 
Lursa said:
So you think they should have them anyway then? Just 'buck up' and maybe lose the job they have that helps support their current family? Or decide instead she'd rather just take taxpayer $ for public assistance rather than have a kid she didnt even want to begin with? That doesnt sound very responsible, nor a very good situation for a kid if not even wanted.
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Letting the child live trumps everything you just said. Who are we to decide who lives and who doesn't?
 
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