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As U.S. abortion restrictions mount, issue of self induced abortion...[W:133]

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roughdraft274 said:
Nope. I clicked your link. It shows three clinics.
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I just checked it, it shows 5:

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Ikari said:
What restrictions? Where is it illegal? Anyone can obtain an abortion in the time-frame that abortions are legal under. No state can change that.

And being poor is a restriction to many things, not just abortion.
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See, this is why claims of PhDs and such are just not believed.
 
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Lursa said:
Apparently you dont understand the OP. Because the bold is not what the OP is about.
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Pro-Choice doesn't care enough about women's heath to get admitting privileges. There's nothing I can do about that.
 
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Lursa said:
See, this is why claims of PhDs and such are just not believed.
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Thankfully, it's not subject to your belief. But continue the Ad Homs, they really bolster and argument :roll:
 
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Ikari said:
Thankfully, it's not subject to your belief
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And that's why the claims are useless.
 
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Jerry said:
I just checked it, it shows 5:

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You're trying to argue that "Pro-Life Mississippi" is an abortion clinic?

One of the results is called "West Alabama Women's Center". Where do you think it's located Jerry?
 
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Jerry said:
Pro-Choice doesn't care enough about women's heath to get admitting privileges. There's nothing I can do about that.
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I guess abortion and selling baby parts just arent raking in the dough like so many pro-lifers like to claim.

So many scream that that's all PP, for instance, does and that's what drives their bottom line...."profiting from killing babies!"
 
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Lursa said:
And that's why the claims are useless.
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OK, well you have fun with that.
 
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Lursa said:
I guess abortion and selling baby parts just arent raking in the dough like so many pro-lifers like to claim.

So many scream that that's all PP, for instance, does and that's what drives their bottom line...."profiting from killing babies!"
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You'll have to take that up with people who make those claims.
 
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roughdraft274 said:
Laws don't forbid more. It's just that the places can't afford to be open when they have to jump through so many regulations and unnecessary burdens.

Do you see a problem with requiring admitting privileges for a place that performs one surgical procedure but not the place next door that performs a surgical procedure that is just as invasive?
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I would think that places which do perform invasive medical surgeries would have some admittance privileges and that those privileges can be reasonably and fairly obtained.
 
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Ikari said:
I would think that places which do perform invasive medical surgeries would have some admittance privileges and that those privileges can be reasonably and fairly obtained.
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For example, in texas you can get a vasectomy in a clinic that doesn't have admitting privileges, but not an abortion. You can also receive miscarriage treatment in the same manner, but not an abortion.

It's entirely political.
 
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JayDubya said:
I don't understand what problem you're complaining about in this thread.

It's awful that innocents continue to be killed.
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Indeed and it is just as awful when some push their uneducated, ignorant and hateful beliefs on others.
 
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Ikari said:
I understand fine. Abortion is legal everywhere in America.
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Clearly you do not as the legality is not the issue.
 
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Ikari said:
You want to insult my intelligence and claim I don't understand.
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You proved that by ranting about the legality aspect when that is not the issue.
 
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prometeus said:
You proved that by ranting about the legality aspect when that is not the issue.
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Yet even in Mississippi it's legal. There are some relative variances in ease and availability; but on the absolute scale it's available everywhere. Anyone in any state can, in fact, obtain an abortion.
 
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Ikari said:
I would think that places which do perform invasive medical surgeries would have some admittance privileges and that those privileges can be reasonably and fairly obtained.
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And yet, those restrictions are not applied equally. There are many facilities that do liposuction, in-vitro fertilization, vasectomies, stomach stapling, birthing centers where they do c-sections, etc that are not forced to comply.
 
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prometeus said:
Who said it was not legal? Why the lack of intellectual honesty?
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There's no lack of honesty. The OP is trying to claim that women are trying to self-induce abortions due to lack of availability or hostile laws. But in every state one can actually obtain an abortion. There may be some states that are harder than others, but none of them have it banned. Even in Mississippi, one can legally have an abortion.
 
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Ikari said:
There's no lack of honesty. The OP is trying to claim that women are trying to self-induce abortions due to lack of availability or hostile laws.
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Which is a fact that you have desperately attempted to deny or misrepresent. That is dishonest.
 
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prometeus said:
Which is a fact that you have desperately attempted to deny or misrepresent. That is dishonest.
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No, the point being anyone in any state can obtain legal abortions. Some may feel that they have no other options or that it's too difficult to go through the proper channels and thus try it themselves. But they always had the option to do so through an established provider if they had, instead, chosen to do so.
 
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Ikari said:
No, the point being anyone in any state can obtain legal abortions.
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No that only proves again that you either are not capable of understanding the topic or your lack of honesty, perhaps both.
 
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prometeus said:
No that only proves again that you either are not capable of understanding the topic or your lack of honesty, perhaps both.
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Again, attacking the poster and not the argument. It doesn't bode well for your argument.

While there are certainly places where it should be easier to establish proper clinics to provide for safe abortions, it doesn't mean that there are states where abortion is illegal. As such, one is not forced into "home abortions", the option to go to a proper clinic always exists even though it may be tedious. As such, one makes the choice to forgo the tedious hoops of going to a proper location to instead do it themselves and then subject themselves to the higher risks of potential risks.

Your claims are unfounded, and perhaps you should make an argument or try to counter mine instead of attacking me as a deflection.
 
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roughdraft274 said:
Good point. So you'd be ok with enforcing a law that limits the legal places to buying a gun to one in the entire state? No infringement upon the second amendment at all right?
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The second amendment is explicit.

Show me one word in the Constitution that refers to abortion, and you might have something approaching a point.
 
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Ikari said:
Again, attacking the poster and not the argument.
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No attack just plain simple facts.

It doesn't bode well for your argument.
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There was no argument posted just simple facts stated.

While there are certainly places where it should be easier to establish proper clinics to provide for safe abortions, it doesn't mean that there are states where abortion is illegal.
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And after complaining about nonexistent personal attacks you repeat the same dishonest claim. Let me repeat, the legality of abortion is not the topic or issue in this thread.

As such, one is not forced into "home abortions"
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That is just your uninformed opinion, since you really do not know anything about the particular circumstances of anyone that resorts to "home abortions" but hey score another point for a dishonest argument.

Your claims are unfounded, and perhaps you should make an argument or try to counter mine instead of attacking me as a deflection.
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You did not make an argument, you made unfounded dishonest claims, deflections and lies. That fact is there for anyone to read.
 
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