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Despite being highly restricted, abortion is common in Nigeria..

Jetboogieman said:
Don't lecture us on civilized.
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In order to talk to you at all, I'd pretty much have to lecture to you about civilized society, since you live in a barbarous one and approve of every element of its barbarity.

Your support for stealing property at gunpoint for no reason but to give it to another is no less noxious than your support for killing innocent and helpless human beings. Both are deplorable views.

Of course you can't contain your deplorable leftist views to threads about economics for some reason.
 
JayDubya said:
In order to talk to you at all, I'd pretty much have to lecture to you about civilized society, since you live in a barbarous one and approve of every element of its barbarity.

Your support for stealing property at gunpoint for no reason but to give it to another is no less noxious than your support for killing innocent and helpless human beings. Both are deplorable views. Both are barbarous.
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The reason you think this because you're more of an anarchist like Henrin, you two don't actually understand how societies function and you think all of what we have today happened by magic.

You look down on any form of government assistance for the nations neediest, but a certain amount of it is necessary in order to have civilized society, one that actually values the lives of its citizens and one that strives for justice and equity.

I'd explain UHC to you but it won't do much good, you have another extremist view on that that has no basis in reality.

It isn't theft, that's an extremist interpretation that has no basis in reality, I don't understand, if you two are so disgusted by society then LEAVE it. Go to a mountain somewhere and leave us civilized folk in peace.

The society you advocate is a vicious one, where life is has a purely monetary value and would actually lead to more death than you say you stand against.

But that's the problem when you live in a universe of pure black and white dogmatic petulance.
 
Jetboogieman said:
The reason you think this because you're more of an anarchist like Henrin, you two don't actually understand how societies function and you think all of what we have today happened by magic.

You look down on any form of government assistance for the nations neediest, but a certain amount of it is necessary in order to have civilized society, one that actually values the lives of its citizens and one that strives for justice and equity.

I'd explain UHC to you but it won't do much good, you have another extremist view on that that has no basis in reality.

It isn't theft, that's an extremist interpretation that has no basis in reality, I don't understand, if you two are so disgusted by society then LEAVE it. Go to a mountain somewhere and leave us civilized folk in peace.

The society you advocate is a vicious one, where life is has a purely monetary value and would actually lead to more death than you say you stand against.

But that's the problem when you live in a universe of pure black and white dogmatic petulance.
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Blah blah blah you hate the notion of a right to life blah blah blah you hate the notion of a right to property.

Anyone who supports a civilized society that protects either is your enemy.

It's not complicated.

I've got a better idea for folks like you - form your own little commune. If it's so great, people will join you voluntarily.
 
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JayDubya said:
Blah blah blah you hate the notion of a right to life blah blah blah you hate the notion of a right to property.

Anyone who supports a civilized society that protects either is your enemy.

It's not complicated.
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It's the fundamental thing I've learned debating you.

You don't seem to live in the real world.

I'm not sure what universe you actually exist in, but it's clear from your posting history it's a pretty dark one where compassion, empathy, freedom and life actually have very little meaning.

Your warped and contradictory ideology don't lend much credibility to any argument you've tried to make so far.
 
Jetboogieman said:
It's the fundamental thing I've learned debating you.

You don't seem to live in the real world.

I'm not sure what universe you actually exist in, but it's clear from your posting history it's a pretty dark one where compassion, empathy, freedom and life actually have very little meaning.

Your warped and contradictory ideology don't lend much credibility to any argument you've tried to make so far.
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Yes yes, you hate free markets and you hate free people and the only "freedom" you give a damn about is the "freedom" to own and kill other human beings.

It is hilarious to watch someone with such deplorable, hateful views slander those with respect for equality and human rights, but it's just what you do.
 
JayDubya said:
Yes yes, you hate free markets and you hate free people and the only "freedom" you give a damn about is the "freedom" to own and kill other human beings.

It is hilarious to watch someone with such deplorable, hateful views slander those with respect for equality and human rights, but it's just what you do.
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I don't hate free markets at all.

But I do believe certain things, using the Government as a means to combine our resources to provide certain services should be administered by the state.

In the case of Healthcare I fully support that.

And it works here, no one is forced to participate, doctors have options of where they want to work, just because the state is the one that administers the hospitals themselves, doesn't make the doctors slaves like your extremist worldview suggests.

Fundamentally your abortion stance is authoritarian while the rest of your beliefs are virtually anarchistic, leading to a brutal and vicious society where life has a purely monetary value and where the most vulnerable would be heavily subjugated by an elite in society, not unlike feudalism.

Your way is darkness and death.

Mine is progress and equity.
 
Jetboogieman said:
I don't hate free markets at all.

In the case of Healthcare I fully support that.
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Sure.

You don't hate free markets, you just want government to take control of services and declare them to be "rights."

So... yeah, thanks for confirming I was correct.



Fundamentally your abortion stance is authoritarian
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No, laws against killing innocent human beings are not authoritarian. Such laws are the most basic function of the most minimal government possible. Your assertion is idiotic.

Your abortion views are those of barbaric, might makes right anarchy where the weakest and most vulnerable humans among our number are reduced to property to be killed on a whim. It would be one thing if you were consistent and supported such anarchy across the board, but you don't. Which confirms that it isn't "choice" that motivates you and those like you, it is bigotry against the unborn.

while the rest of your beliefs are virtually anarchistic
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Libertarianism is not anarchy. The absence of socialism is not anarchy. Laissez faire capitalism maximizes individual freedom of choice - your opposition to it again confirms that freedom of choice does not motivate you.

Your way is darkness and death.

Mine is progress and equity.
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You have that backwards, just like everything else.

I support equality and human rights; you support human civilization backsliding into authoritarian and barbaric ruin.
 
Riveroaks said:
Could you please elaborate further?

Please use subject/verb/object and intro/body/conclusion in your format.

Not girlie talk.
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How can I 'like' this more than once?

Certainly, clarity would be preferred :lamo
 
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