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Texas Women Are Inducing Their Own Abortions[W:60]

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Removable Mind said:
Texas' law that was enacted to force abortion clinics to have the same standards of care as a hospital - along with an abortion doctor having priviledges at a hospital within 30 miles is bull****....and that's what I think about it. Bull****!

Texas Christiban pervert legislators figured out a way to create a legislative work around Roe v Wade and Planned Parenthood v Casey. And the 5th Circuit court are a made of same radicalistic **** that Texas Legislators are. They know very well that they are imposing UNDUE BURDEN on Texas women by not overturn this outrageously corrupt piece of legislation, which is claimed to have been passed to protect women's health. AND THEY COULDN'T AND WOULDN'T produce any evidence that Texas Abortion Clinic were in fact unsafe.
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Texas really made an enormous mess with that garbage law. Unbelievable. Truly. Especially in a state with so many children living without food security each day. Just incredible.

Removable Mind said:
Reason...you don't have the ability to make an argument grounded in reason. That is one of the most lame arguments pro-life advocate have made EVER. Go back to sleep.
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Thank you.
 
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reason10 said:
The smartest guy in the room is also a father. I don't hate babies like the FemiNAZIS. I cherish my girls.

But dismemberment and sucking into a sink? Makes Zyklon B look humane by comparison.
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FemiNAZIS? Gezzzzzzzzzzzus Gawd, you been honkin on Rush Limbaugh's lower extremities or what?
 
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Removable Mind said:
Reason...you don't have the ability to make an argument grounded in reason. That is one of the most lame arguments pro-life advocate have made EVER. Go back to sleep.
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I just did. And it's the ONLY logical argument in this thread. It's the only one not grounded in NAZI like HATE. It's the only one where a BABY isn't eviscerated for his/her organs to be sold on the market.
 
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reason10 said:
The smartest guy in the room is also a father. I don't hate babies like the FemiNAZIS. I cherish my girls.

But dismemberment and sucking into a sink? Makes Zyklon B look humane by comparison.
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Every time you post terrible things like this it is your own credibility being sucked down the drain. Whatever.
 
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reason10 said:
I just did. And it's the ONLY logical argument in this thread. It's the only one not grounded in NAZI like HATE. It's the only one where a BABY isn't eviscerated for his/her organs to be sold on the market.
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Wow...continue on to prove my point...you're doing a tremendous job at it.
 
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reason10 said:
Here's an original idea: (well, it's a choice.)

A. DON'T GET PREGNANT.
B. If you ignore (A), put the child up for adoption. There are childless parents who would give anything for a baby.

How difficult is that? A or B?
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A. Women cannot will ourselves to get or not get pregnant. If we could, there'd be no fertility or abortion clinics.

B. We are not broodmares for the barren. If a woman wants to gestate and place the child for abortion, that's her choice and her right - however, some of us do not believe in adoption. That is also our choice and our right.
 
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Alyssa T. said:
Every time you post terrible things like this it is your own credibility being sucked down the drain. Whatever.
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Who give's a rat's ass here?

The word "liberal" in someone's profile automatically disavows ALL credibility. So far I'm a superior species to a lot of others here.

HAVE YOU EVER ACTUALLY SEEN A CURETTAGE ABORTION?

You're the one who has a lot to learn.
 
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Alyssa T. said:
No way. Take that hateful talk somewhere else, please. You don't know any of these women, or what their circumstances are. How can you call them such horrible names?

Take your own advice, follow those last 3 words of your post. Seriously.
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I already have more brains than all liberals combined.

Then again, so does a cup of frozen yogurt.
 
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reason10 said:
Steve Forbes had the right idea. You have to change the country's heart before you change the law.
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That's true.

And nothing gets done without the political will, either.

The problem here is becoming one of national will vs local will, it seems.

However, one fact remains:

Those not wanting abortion have no requirement to access these services;

But they are attempting to force their will upon those who chose to exercise their right to have these procedures, by restricting access.
 
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reason10 said:
Who give's a rat's ass here?

The word "liberal" in someone's profile automatically disavows ALL credibility. So far I'm a superior species to a lot of others here.

HAVE YOU EVER ACTUALLY SEEN A CURETTAGE ABORTION?

You're the one who has a lot to learn.
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reason10 said:
I already have more brains than all liberals combined.

Then again, so does a cup of frozen yogurt.
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Keep proving my point. Go ahead, really.
 
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A. Women cannot will ourselves to get or not get pregnant. If we could, there'd be no fertility or abortion clinics.
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Actually, there are things responsible women can do. Birth control is at the top of the list. There are sluts out there banging everything that moves. They are on the pill, or they have other forms of birth control. And they will never be driving a minivan to soccer practice with a load of rug rats. They are the smart ones. (And I have no problem with them. They are responsible.)

Or a woman might figure out not to bang everything that moves, and maybe wait for the right man to come along. Waiting for marriage is almost a guarantee of a wanted baby. But the sluts who abort to look good in a prom dress are monsters.

B. We are not broodmares for the barren. If a woman wants to gestate and place the child for abortion, that's her choice and her right - however, some of us do not believe in adoption. That is also our choice and our right.
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So you prefer DEATH to the baby. Adolf Eichmann had the same final solution for another group of unfortunate humans in the last century.
 
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Chomsky said:
That's true.

And nothing gets done without the political will, either.

The problem here is becoming one of national will vs local will, it seems.

However, one fact remains:

Those not wanting abortion have no requirement to access these services;

But they are attempting to force their will upon those who chose to exercise their right to have these procedures, by restricting access.
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In other words, the babies (OR JEWS) really don't have a right to life.

Got it.
 
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Removable Mind said:
Wow...continue on to prove my point...you're doing a tremendous job at it.
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Oh no! I didn't know you already said that on the bottom of the last page. Sorry to steal your line on this page. Oops.
 
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Alyssa T. said:
Oh no! I didn't know you already said that on the bottom of the last page. Sorry, to steal your line on this page. Oops.
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All is good...the more the merrier.
 
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reason10 said:
Actually, there are things responsible women can do. Birth control is at the top of the list. There are sluts out there banging everything that moves. They are on the pill, or they have other forms of birth control. And they will never be driving a minivan to soccer practice with a load of rug rats. They are the smart ones. (And I have no problem with them. They are responsible.)

Or a woman might figure out not to bang everything that moves, and maybe wait for the right man to come along. Waiting for marriage is almost a guarantee of a wanted baby. But the sluts who abort to look good in a prom dress are monsters.

So you prefer DEATH to the baby. Adolf Eichmann had the same final solution for another group of unfortunate humans in the last century.
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Just a disgusting bunch of verbal vomit.
 
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reason10 said:
Actually I do know what I'm talking about. I'm not a liberal. I actually have a brain and an education. I have a job. I'm smarter than ANY liberal here.

If you don't like the truth (and most liberals don't) it's not my problem.
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You have been misinformed.

What you describe is a partial birth abortion, which is illegal in most states, and in the states where it is legal, it has strict requirements which allow it.

Most abortions are in the first trimester, when what is sucked out is a blood blotch. Like a late period. You could look at it, and it would not look any different from any other blood blotch. One third of all pregnancies spontaneously abort in the first trimester. I did. So I saw what it looked like and can verify that personally.

Abortion in the 2nd trimester, up to the point where the "life" can live outside of another human being, is rare. That is the point of the beginning of personhood, as defined by law in our country. Not many abortions are performed in this time period, but definitely some are. I have a problem with abortions being performed in this trimester, unless the mother's health or life is at stake....and that is a rarity.

Ironically, though abortion in the 2nd trimester is rare, it would be even rarer if there were better access to safe abortions, because finances and lack of knowledge of pregnancy are the two main reasons for getting a late abortion.

If someone really cares about abortion, the best avenue is to work for fewer unwanted pregnancies. The abortion rate has been steadily declining such that the current rate of abortion is less than it was decades ago. This is because of birth control, better pregnancy testing, and better support and education. Remember how conservatives fought tooth & nail against sex education?

You have probably read things like this:
As it stands today, American women have the legal right to obtain an abortion in all 50 states, through all nine months of pregnancy, for virtually any reason at all. This has been true since the Supreme Court declared that autonomous abortion rights are built into the Constitution, and that legal barriers to abortion are unconstitutional.
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The above is a quote from a rightwing site. The statements in that quote are, in fact, lies. Women cannot get abortions through all nine months of pregnancy for any reason. To sum it up, a woman can get an abortion in the first trimester fairly easily, if she has the money and the ability to get to the doctor. After that, it gets tricky, if not downright impossible or illegal.

If you care, you would work to see that there are fewer unwanted pregnancies. This means funding for counseling centers and places that help poor women get birth control. Like Planned Parenthood.

You probably think PP has done a lot of abortions. It has not. That is about 3% of what it does. It mainly provides prenatal care (you care about babies, right?) to poor women, gives birth control, and provides counseling and support for poor women who fall through the cracks. That is a good thing.
 
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JumpinJack said:
Those are pretty much my feelings. An abortion is an unhappy, sad event. But the fact is, it is legal in our country (under certain circumstances). For conservatives to pull tricks to close the abortion clinics/doctors in areas, making it inaccessible, under one pretense or another, should be against the law. These people have no idea how desperate some of these women are and what lengths they will feel they are forced to go, to have an abortion. When abortion is legal, it should be a crime to prevent them from having access.

OTOH, some liberals view abortion as something akin to a root canal. I see nothing wrong with requiring a short counseling session with a woman before undergoing an abortion, just to make sure she's not under someone else's influence (men and families have been known to strong insist women get abortions), and make sure she knows about any options in the area, like assistance with costs. Liberals would nevr allow that, and I understand logically why. If it's legal, it's legal. Don't assume a woman can't know what she's doing for a legal procedure. That would be like requiring a man to undergo counseling before getting a vasectomy.

There's no easy answer. But making it inaccessible is not the answer.

The irony is that this will ensure that most of the unwanted babies come from poor or minority women. One of the deals with some conservative pro-lifers is that they think middle class white women are having too many abortions, decreasing the numbers of white middle class people. White middle class women have the funds to travel to get an abortion, while poor, minority women do not.
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I think yours is a great post, and the line I bolded sums it up well!

About the only thing I can add, and this is coming from a man's perspective so I'm reaching here: I suspect not many women (or very few), really "want" to have an abortion - but in that moment and in the circumstances surrounding their lives at that moment, they perceive they "need" to have an abortion.

I just wanted to differentiate between "want" and "perceived need", and also to draw attention to the use of "perceived" itself; because facts of matters evaluated under duress and in different times of one's life, may be perceived again differently when in other surroundings & circumstances.
 
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JumpinJack said:
You have been misinformed.

What you describe is a partial birth abortion, which is illegal in most states, and in the states where it is legal, it has strict requirements which allow it.

Most abortions are in the first trimester, when what is sucked out is a blood blotch. Like a late period. You could look at it, and it would not look any different from any other blood blotch. One third of all pregnancies spontaneously abort in the first trimester. I did. So I saw what it looked like and can verify that personally.

Abortion in the 2nd trimester, up to the point where the "life" can live outside of another human being, is rare. That is the point of the beginning of personhood, as defined by law in our country. Not many abortions are performed in this time period, but definitely some are. I have a problem with abortions being performed in this trimester, unless the mother's health or life is at stake....and that is a rarity.

Ironically, though abortion in the 2nd trimester is rare, it would be even rarer if there were better access to safe abortions, because finances and lack of knowledge of pregnancy are the two main reasons for getting a late abortion.

If someone really cares about abortion, the best avenue is to work for fewer unwanted pregnancies. The abortion rate has been steadily declining such that the current rate of abortion is less than it was decades ago. This is because of birth control, better pregnancy testing, and better support and education. Remember how conservatives fought tooth & nail against sex education?

You have probably read things like this:


The above is a quote from a rightwing site. The statements in that quote are, in fact, lies. Women cannot get abortions through all nine months of pregnancy for any reason. To sum it up, a woman can get an abortion in the first trimester fairly easily, if she has the money and the ability to get to the doctor. After that, it gets tricky, if not downright impossible or illegal.

If you care, you would work to see that there are fewer unwanted pregnancies. This means funding for counseling centers and places that help poor women get birth control. Like Planned Parenthood.

You probably think PP has done a lot of abortions. It has not. That is about 3% of what it does. It mainly provides prenatal care (you care about babies, right?) to poor women, gives birth control, and provides counseling and support for poor women who fall through the cracks. That is a good thing.
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A nice post, but will fall on deaf eyes. This has been explained to Reason numerous times to no avail. He's claimed himself to be the smartest person in the forum. He did say "smarter than any liberal", but he really means person. And yet after being educated over and over with legal information that relates to various topics regarding abortion - then the smartest guy who obviously lacks fundamental knowledge about things he ridicules - smacks us all in they eyes every time we read his rude, nonsensical OPINIONS and VIEWS.
 
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reason10 said:
Actually, there are things responsible women can do. Birth control is at the top of the list. There are sluts out there banging everything that moves. They are on the pill, or they have other forms of birth control. And they will never be driving a minivan to soccer practice with a load of rug rats. They are the smart ones. (And I have no problem with them. They are responsible.)

Or a woman might figure out not to bang everything that moves, and maybe wait for the right man to come along. Waiting for marriage is almost a guarantee of a wanted baby. But the sluts who abort to look good in a prom dress are monsters.



So you prefer DEATH to the baby. Adolf Eichmann had the same final solution for another group of unfortunate humans in the last century.
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Golly Gee Wizz, your "vileness" has no bounds.
 
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reason10 said:
My heart bleeds. They are complaining about having to be mothers, THE DUMB SLUTS.

Here's an idea, bitches. DON'T GET PREGNANT. Grow a brain.
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How very intelligent and eloquent of you...
 
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Is it or is it not a surprise for you guys every time some ignorant ****head makes a post that only reflects how stupid (s)he is?
 
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reason10 said:
Ripping a baby's arms out of the socket, crushing his/her skull and sucking her parts out into the since is the most hateful act since the HOLOCAUST.
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Why don't you learn facts before making moronic posts?

Having an abortion for any reason other than rape, incest or saving the life of the mother is an act of hate.
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Thanks fro demonstrating hypocrisy on top the the moronic posts.
 
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reason10 said:
Actually I do know what I'm talking about. I'm not a liberal. I actually have a brain and an education. I have a job. I'm smarter than ANY liberal here.
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Right, you so amply have demonstrated that in your moronic comments.
 
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prometeus said:
Is it or is it not a surprise for you guys every time some ignorant ****head makes a post that only reflects how stupid (s)he is?
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Sorry, but it seems you have been doing this far, far longer than I have. I know people who don't approve of abortion, but I am not used to seeing such vile and disgusting words spoken about girls and women. That goes for just in general or in relation to this very emotional topic. I will try harder to stay out of these threads.
 
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