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Why does the left stand up for the rights of everyone except for unborn babies?[W:40]

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It just dawned on me today that we have a thread on Kim Davis who gets trashed and called a bigot for not being tolerant of gay people's rights and we have another thread where a judge ruled that a lesbian couple can't adopt their foster kid. The left even stands up for the kid's right to be raised by a lesbian couple but they wouldn't stand up for that very same kid's right to life if it hadn't been born yet, even though it is a living, viable human being. The left even stands up for the right of criminals not to be executed but seem to be OK with murdering unborn babies. This is as much of a contradiction to me as the right wing standing up for the right to life of an unborn baby but then they seem to be OK with murdering certain violent criminals. Both sides are nothing but hypocrites.
 
Moderate Right said:
It just dawned on me today that we have a thread on Kim Davis who gets trashed and called a bigot for not being tolerant of gay people's rights and we have another thread where a judge ruled that a lesbian couple can't adopt their foster kid. The left even stands up for the kid's right to be raised by a lesbian couple but they wouldn't stand up for that very same kid's right to life if it hadn't been born yet, even though it is a living, viable human being. The left even stands up for the right of criminals not to be executed but seem to be OK with murdering unborn babies. This is as much of a contradiction to me as the right wing standing up for the right to life of an unborn baby but then they seem to be OK with murdering certain violent criminals. Both sides are nothing but hypocrites.
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Because the unborn have no rights. They never have
 
sangha said:
Because the unborn have no rights. They never have
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Well neither did other groups the left stands up for until, you know, they did.
 
The judge reversed his decision in that case but, the child wasn't who they supported.... It was the Gay couple.
 
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Moderate Right said:
It just dawned on me today that we have a thread on Kim Davis who gets trashed and called a bigot for not being tolerant of gay people's rights and we have another thread where a judge ruled that a lesbian couple can't adopt their foster kid. The left even stands up for the kid's right to be raised by a lesbian couple but they wouldn't stand up for that very same kid's right to life if it hadn't been born yet, even though it is a living, viable human being. The left even stands up for the right of criminals not to be executed but seem to be OK with murdering unborn babies. This is as much of a contradiction to me as the right wing standing up for the right to life of an unborn baby but then they seem to be OK with murdering certain violent criminals. Both sides are nothing but hypocrites.
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Because the time frame wherein abortion is allowed, the zef isn't a "living, viable human being," it's zef, and most liberals/progressives recognize the value of women over zefs, since bringing a unwanted pregnancy to term is a burden on the woman. Actually bringing nearly any pregnancy to term is a burden on the woman during and after delivery, but to force one unwanted on a woman,... well a value judgement has to be made, whose "life" is more valuable, a gob of goo or a woman. Most rational people choose the woman.
 
sangha said:
Because the unborn have no rights. They never have
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I'd like you to ask every single pregnant woman out there in the US that intends on having their baby if they think their baby has any rights. If a fetus has no right to life then how can a doctor be sued for malpractice if they do something wrong during the pregnancy that either causes the fetus's death or causes the baby severe health problems after it is born? I mean if the doctor does something bad during the time period the fetus had no rights then the doctor should be free and clear.
 
Summerwind said:
Because the time frame wherein abortion is allowed, the zef isn't a "living, viable human being," it's zef, and most liberals/progressives recognize the value of women over zefs, since bringing a unwanted pregnancy to term is a burden on the woman. Actually bringing nearly any pregnancy to term is a burden on the woman during and after delivery, but to force one unwanted on a woman,... well a value judgement has to be made, whose "life" is more valuable, a gob of goo or a woman. Most rational people choose the woman.
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Most rational people wouldn't call a fetus a "gob of goo".
 
Moderate Right said:
I'd like you to ask every single pregnant woman out there in the US that intends on having their baby if they think their baby has any rights. If a fetus has no right to life then how can a doctor be sued for malpractice if they do something wrong during the pregnancy that either causes the fetus's death or causes the baby severe health problems after it is born? I mean if the doctor does something bad during the time period the fetus had no rights then the doctor should be free and clear.
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Well, that should keep you busy for a while. In order to be fair you should also include all the women who plan on having an abortion.
 
Moderate Right said:
I'd like you to ask every single pregnant woman out there in the US that intends on having their baby if they think their baby has any rights. If a fetus has no right to life then how can a doctor be sued for malpractice if they do something wrong during the pregnancy that either causes the fetus's death or causes the baby severe health problems after it is born? I mean if the doctor does something bad during the time period the fetus had no rights then the doctor should be free and clear.
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Because the mother deserved the proper medical treatment. The fact that it primarily effected the zef and therefore the child is irrelevant except as evidence of the malpractice.
 
Moderate Right said:
In other words, murdering fetuses is better for society so that makes it OK.
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Sure I'll buy that. Value judgements have to be made. When we value women for more than their ability to squirt out children and allow them to make their own medical decisions with their doctors, privately, everyone benefits.
 
Texmex said:
Well, that should keep you busy for a while. In order to be fair you should also include all the women who plan on having an abortion.
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I'll go along with that but since there are way more mothers who have their babies than there are abortions, I don't think that strategy will work out to your advantage.
 
Summerwind said:
Because the time frame wherein abortion is allowed, the zef isn't a "living, viable human being," it's zef, and most liberals/progressives recognize the value of women over zefs, since bringing a unwanted pregnancy to term is a burden on the woman. Actually bringing nearly any pregnancy to term is a burden on the woman during and after delivery, but to force one unwanted on a woman,... well a value judgement has to be made, whose "life" is more valuable, a gob of goo or a woman. Most rational people choose the woman.
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A gob of goo is an entirely different thing than the unborn. Why do people keep calling something that is clearly not a gob of goo a gob of goo?
 
Moderate Right said:
Most rational people wouldn't call a fetus a "gob of goo".
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Yes, but I've had a miscarriage and seen exactly what a 12 week zef looks like, and it looks exactly like a bloody lugie, about the same size, same texture, no definable features. ... Reality bites, but it's where I prefer to converse from, not some Hallmark bs view of things.
 
Summerwind said:
Because the time frame wherein abortion is allowed, the zef isn't a "living, viable human being," it's zef, and most liberals/progressives recognize the value of women over zefs
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I for one am just shocked - shocked! - to see a pro-abort make scientifically inaccurate assertions including retarded and bigoted slurs.

Why, it's not like deceit and ignorance of fact are what enables a pro-abort to say and believe the things they do.

Oh wait no, it's exactly like that.
 
Henrin said:
A gob of goo is an entirely different thing than the unborn. Why do people keep calling something that is clearly not a gob of goo a gob of goo?
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And when is the last time you saw a miscarried zef? In reality, not pictures or propaganda?
 
Ultimately, their is no intrinsic understanding of the rights a fetus has and does not have. That is something the mother, (i.e the person carrying the child) should decide. I for one feel that the rights of the mother are more valuable than the rights of the unborn.
 
Moderate Right said:
It just dawned on me today that we have a thread on Kim Davis who gets trashed and called a bigot for not being tolerant of gay people's rights and we have another thread where a judge ruled that a lesbian couple can't adopt their foster kid. The left even stands up for the kid's right to be raised by a lesbian couple but they wouldn't stand up for that very same kid's right to life if it hadn't been born yet, even though it is a living, viable human being. The left even stands up for the right of criminals not to be executed but seem to be OK with murdering unborn babies. This is as much of a contradiction to me as the right wing standing up for the right to life of an unborn baby but then they seem to be OK with murdering certain violent criminals. Both sides are nothing but hypocrites.
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Speaking for myself, I don't believe an unborn child is a person with rights to protect until 20 weeks gestation.
 
A fetus has no "rights".
 
molten_dragon said:
Speaking for myself, I don't believe an unborn child is a person with rights to protect until 20 weeks gestation.
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I draw a much looser line, I think we should allow abortion up until the child is 17. Imagine how well behaved our youth will be!
 
Gee’s To respond to this is like walking thru a liberal mine field, your query is mostly based on abortion and gay rights. I have absolutely no issue with gay folks getting married or doing whatever, this is not my business nor should it be the governments business

Abortion, well this is a bit more complicated, the cover of women’s health issues is nonsense with the current level of this killing and carnage, and yes it is now killing and selling body parts for profit. Sorry girls and boys, abortion is not a form of contraception, that should have been figured out before you both had sex. This is not an absolute women’s issue because she physically holds the vessel for the outcome of bad choices, it should be a 50/50 decision.

As for children being adopted with gay couples, this should not be encouraged, there is a natural law aspect, this is not a homophobic statement but the truth. We all give up choices with lifestyle, I can’t have all and sorry to say ether can you.
 
Summerwind said:
And when is the last time you saw a miscarried zef? In reality, not pictures or propaganda?
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So an eight week fetus is a gob of goo? Ok?

And why would pictures not be good enough?
 
Moderate Right said:
In other words, murdering fetuses is better for society so that makes it OK.
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Abortion is a last result, but making it illegal doesn't stop abortion. Just add dead women on top of dead fetuses. Birth control is the best option, but countries who deny women control over their reproductive health are not good societies. Read that study!
 
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