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George Tiller, a name I'm sure we are all very familiar with, a name that brings with it heavy emotion. Knowing this, people don't seem to understand what a great man tiller was, and the reality of the clinic. This didn't stop "pro life" nut jobs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Tiller
During his tenure with the center, which began in 1975 and continued the medical practice of his father, Tiller was frequently targeted with protest and violence by anti-abortion groups and individuals. After his clinic was firebombed in 1986, Tiller was shot in both arms by anti-abortion extremist Shelley Shannon in 1993. On May 31, 2009, Tiller was shot through the eye and killed by anti-abortion extremist Scott Roeder, as Tiller served as an usher during the Sunday morning service at his church in Wichita. Roeder was convicted of murder on January 29, 2010, and sentenced to life imprisonment.
Abortion Provider Is Shot Dead - WSJ
Dr. Tiller, who was 67, leaves behind his wife, Jeanne, their four children and 10 grandchildren. In a statement, the family called the shooting "an unspeakable tragedy...particularly heart wrenching because George was shot down in his house of worship, a place of peace."
Kansas law prohibits aborting fetuses that could live outside the womb -- a milestone that is generally reached midway through the second trimester -- unless two doctors certify that continuing the pregnancy would cause the woman "substantial and irreversible impairment of a major bodily function." Dr. Tiller cited that reason for aborting hundreds of viable fetuses over the years at his clinic.

Dr. Tiller was well-known for providing abortions for women who discovered late in pregnancy that their fetuses had severe or fatal birth defects. He also aborted healthy late-term fetuses. Some of his patients, he said, were drug addicted and some were as young as 9 years old.

Does it surprise anyone that Good Ol O'Reilly..
Tiller was discussed in 28 episodes of the Fox News talk show The O'Reilly Factor before his death in May 2009, focusing national attention on his practice. Although he later denied it, show host Bill O'Reilly sometimes described him as "Tiller the Baby Killer", a nickname that Congressman Robert K. Dornan had used on the floor of the US House of Representatives. O'Reilly said he would not want to be Tiller, Kathleen Sebelius, and other pro-choice Kansas politicians "if there is a judgment day".[15] On November 3, 2006, O'Reilly featured an exclusive segment on The O'Reilly Factor, saying that he had an "inside source" with official clinic documentation indicating that Tiller performed late-term abortions to alleviate "temporary depression" in pregnant woman.[16] He characterized the doctor as "a savage on the loose, killing babies willy-nilly", and accused him of "operating a death mill", and of protecting the rapists of children. He suggested that Tiller performed abortions for women who had "a bit of a headache or anxiety" or who felt "a bit blue".[17]

After Dr. Tiller was murdered, O'Reilly denied responsibility and defended his campaign against Dr. Tiller, saying: "When I heard about Tiller’s murder, I knew pro-abortion zealots and Fox News haters would attempt to blame us for the crime, and that’s exactly what has happened. [...] Every single thing we said about Tiller was true, and my analysis was based on those facts. [...] Now, it’s clear that the far left is exploiting—exploiting—the death of the doctor. Those vicious individuals want to stifle any criticism of people like Tiller. That—and hating Fox News—is the real agenda here."[18]
 
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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/26/us/26tiller.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1
They blockaded his clinic; campaigned to have him prosecuted; boycotted his suppliers; tailed him with hidden cameras; branded him “Tiller the baby killer”; hit him with lawsuits, legislation and regulatory complaints; and protested relentlessly, even at his church. Some sent flowers pleading for him to quit. Some sent death threats. One bombed his clinic. Another tried to kill him in 1993, firing five shots, wounding both arms.

Pastor Michelson said he and Dr. Tiller sometimes spoke about abortion. This, he said, is how he learned of adoptions Dr. Tiller sometimes arranged for his patients, in some cases even having women live with his family until after childbirth. “He was giving women in the most desperate of situations options when they had none,” he said.

Dr. Tiller’s clinic Web site boasted that he had more experience with late-term abortions “than anyone else currently practicing in the Western Hemisphere.” Since 1998, interviews and state statistics show, his clinic performed about 4,800 late-term abortions, at least 22 weeks into gestation, around the earliest point at which a fetus can survive outside the womb. At 22 weeks, the average fetus is 11 inches long, weighs a pound and is starting to respond to noise.

PASTOR The Rev. Lowell Michelson said that Dr. Tiller gave options to women “when they had none.” Credit Steve Hebert for The New York Times
About 2,000 of these abortions involved fetuses that could not have survived outside the womb, either because they had catastrophic genetic defects or they were simply too small.

But the other 2,800 abortions involved viable fetuses. Some had serious but survivable abnormalities, like Down syndrome. Many were perfectly healthy.

Like many states, Kansas has long placed limits on late-term abortions of viable fetuses. They can be done only to save the woman’s life or because continuing the pregnancy would cause her a “substantial and irreversible impairment of a major bodily function,” a phrase that Kansas legal authorities, citing United States Supreme Court cases, have said encompasses the woman’s physical and mental health. The state also requires the approval of a second Kansas physician “not legally or financially affiliated” with the doctor performing the abortion.

Even so, Kansas law gives considerable deference to physicians’ judgments. Dr. Tiller and his staff said they had a rigorous screening process to comply with the law.

The vast majority of women seeking late-term abortions from Dr. Tiller’s clinic were from other states, records and testimony show. Dozens more came each year from Canada and other countries. Many were referred by their obstetrician. Law enforcement officials sometimes gave Dr. Tiller’s name to victims of rape or incest.

Prospective patients were required to submit a battery of medical records. They were asked whether they had considered adoption. Before meeting Dr. Tiller, women were interviewed by at least two clinic counselors. Many of the questions — about appetite, sleep habits, thoughts of suicide — were intended to detect symptoms of severe mental illness. Patients were also examined by a second physician, as required by law.

According to sworn testimony by his staff, hundreds of women were turned away each year because they did not meet the legal requirements for a late-term abortion.

Relevant:
I Am Dr Tiller
 
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I found a nice read about late term abortions:
Late Abortions: Facts, Stories, and Ways to Help
In all the extensive coverage of the assassination in his church of Dr. George Tiller by a murderer affiliated with extremist right-wing groups, little has been said to shed light on what late-term abortions are, who has them and why.

Instead, much of the media and talking heads pontificating on this subject have constantly focused on Tiller’s being “one of the very few doctors who perform late-term abortions,” without providing any context as to why he did so and under what circumstances.

As a result, the dominant narrative is one which perpetuates an assumption that people are electing to have late-term abortions for the sake of convenience. This public perception is shaped by the constant intonement that Tiller was “killing babies” coming from irresponsible journalistic hacks like Bill O’Reilly, the suggestions by Chris Matthews that women are blithely electing to abort fetuses that are viable outside the womb, and the statements of inconsistent moralizers like Will Saletan that “there are cases where there’s no real medical situation
other than some teenager in denial and it went on for five months [where the argument is] you should make an exception because of the
so-called mental health of the girl.”

The narrative is one in which women are shamed for choosing abortion, no matter the circumstances, and in which Dr. Tiller is portrayed even indirectly as a despicable aide in their shame.

This narrative is so pervasive that even among those who consider themselves pro-choice, many people are left to wonder: Are these women just waking up one day, deciding over coffee they are tired of being pregnant, and opting for an abortion at 24 weeks? Are there a lot of third trimester abortions? Are they just, as Chris Matthews likes to call them, “elective procedures?”

In fact, in the past two days I have found the misunderstanding about late-term abortion to be widespread even among many of those in the public health advocacy community.
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What a piece of **** this man was, lying to circumvent the law in order to kill as much as possible, both him and his complicit rubber stamp partner.

Oh wait, I called him a "man." I'm sorry, that's not fair to actual human men.

Good riddance.
 
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What a piece of **** this man was, lying to circumvent the law in order to kill as much as possible, both him and his complicit rubber stamp partner.

Oh wait, I called him a "man." I'm sorry, that's not fair to actual human men.

Good riddance.

Why dont you tell that to his family?
Dr. Tiller, who was 67, leaves behind his wife, Jeanne, their four children and 10 grandchildren. In a statement, the family called the shooting "an unspeakable tragedy...particularly heart wrenching because George was shot down in his house of worship, a place of peace."
He lied to kill? Seriously? He followed the law. :roll:
 
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So you are saying Tiller suffered a late late late term abortion? Ironic!
 
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a "great man"..

why is he a "great man"
.... because he performed abortions.


alrighty then... everyone has their heroes, i guess <shrug>
 
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a "great man"..

why is he a "great man"
.... because he performed abortions.


alrighty then... everyone has their heroes, i guess <shrug>

The "great man" part is my opinion, you don't have to agree with it. :shrug: He risked his life and ultimately died providing for these women in need.
During his tenure with the center, which began in 1975 and continued the medical practice of his father, Tiller was frequently targeted with protest and violence by anti-abortion groups and individuals. After his clinic was firebombed in 1986, Tiller was shot in both arms by anti-abortion extremist Shelley Shannon in 1993. On May 31, 2009, Tiller was shot through the eye and killed by anti-abortion extremist Scott Roeder, as Tiller served as an usher during the Sunday morning service at his church in Wichita. Roeder was convicted of murder on January 29, 2010, and sentenced to life imprisonment.
He never seemed to give up either.
Also:
Pastor Michelson said he and Dr. Tiller sometimes spoke about abortion. This, he said, is how he learned of adoptions Dr. Tiller sometimes arranged for his patients, in some cases even having women live with his family until after childbirth. “He was giving women in the most desperate of situations options when they had none,” he said.
 
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What happened to him should not have. Don't even know if the murderer was caught and tried, if so, that is as it should be. That said, if I claimed to shed any tears over him, I'd be lying.
 
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The "great man" part is my opinion, you don't have to agree with it. :shrug: He risked his life and ultimately died providing for these women in need.

He never seemed to give up either.
Also:

Yeah, but you do tend to freak the **** out and accuse people of all sorts of things when they fail to agree with you. :lol:
 
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The "pro lifers" are really showing their true colors.

:lamo
Wait...you were serious? I thought you were being satirical bemoaning the loss of one that butchered thousands. My bad for your poor damaged feelers.

I don't advocate for what happened to him. I also find I'm fresh out of ****s to give him.
 
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Yeah, but you do tend to freak the **** out and accuse people of all sorts of things when they fail to agree with you. :lol:

Hm? Where? Is pointing out something factual freaking out?
 
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Hm? Where? Is pointing out something factual freaking out?

You (IMO) have a very frantic style that always makes me think of this :scared: It doesn't matter, I shouldn't be in this forum. Continue your tribute.
 
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Why dont you tell that to his family?

Sure!

Unless they turned down his blood money, I'll be happy to tell them what I think of them, too.
 
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Sure!

Unless they turned down his blood money, I'll be happy to tell them what I think of them, too.

I wonder how many of his family he butchered. Or maybe he had one of his good friends butcher his kids babies.
 
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A human being is shot and killed in his church and this is the way people react. Just disgusting. Seriously.

I really have to stay out of this subforum. It really makes me upset to see this much hate.
 
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A human being is shot and killed in his church and this is the way people react. Just disgusting. Seriously.

I really have to stay out of this subforum. It really makes me upset to see this much hate.

Well then, goodbye
 
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I am sorry that George Tiller was murdered. It should have never happened, and we as conservatives have gone down the low road for that. But why bring up the subject of George Tiller? Are you trying to honor him? I don't understand why you would try to take down the liberal side by doing something like posting a tribute to Tiller.
I believe he needs to be remembered and is very important when it comes to the abortion discussion.
 
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I believe he needs to be remembered and is very important when it comes to the abortion discussion.

He is well-remembered and good riddance to that psychopath.
 
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Please elaborate on "psychopath."

Dude capable of killing human beings for money in violation of their human rights over and over and over.

He wasn't going to stop, so it's good he was stopped. The problem is the state should have stopped him and he should have died in prison like the monster he was.
 
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