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Hardly Any Women Regret Having an Abortion, a New Study Finds[W:45]

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Cardinal said:
Well there you go then. Has it not occurred to you all the time you could save if you just set up two accounts and had those two socks respond to each other all day long?
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You asked what your motivations were.

Since they were obvious, I stated them.

Multiple accounts are against site rules.
 
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JayDubya said:
His statement is correct. All the genderbaiting / identity politics stuff is a ruse, a mask you people wear to hide what's underneath.
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What's 'underneath' exactly?

:)
 
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JayDubya said:
You asked what your motivations were.

Since they were obvious, I stated them.

Multiple accounts are against site rules.
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You're right, multiple accounts are against forum rules. Therefore perhaps you and Ramfel could just debate each other, and one day one person could play the "pro-choice" side and you could alternate. It seems far more efficient than waiting for actual pro-choice people to respond, don't you think?
 
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JayDubya said:
Bigotry against the unborn is a prerequisite motivation for the statements you have made.

Additionally, many of you are also driven by misguided beliefs in utilitarianism-gone-mad (kill the poor, lower the crime rate) or neo-Malthusian population control / environmentalist concerns, though I can't recall if you have used those sorts of justifications.
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There you go again. Misusing words in an attempt to peddle your neo-Taliban ideas.
 
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HowardBThiname said:
There you go again. Misusing words in an attempt to peddle your neo-Taliban ideas.
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Lol, sure, equality and protecting the innocent sure are "Taliban ideas."

A-derp.
 
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JayDubya said:
Lol, sure, equality and protecting the innocent sure are "Taliban ideas."

A-derp.
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"Innocence" is an attribute of initiative and conscious decision. Surely you arent implying that the unborn have these attributes?

The unborn cannot act and cannot even form intent, so it's actually empty, a vacuum, and it's so-called 'innocence' is no different then, than a tree or tomato. Wouldnt you agree?

Of course if you choose to value 'emptiness', that is up to you. Such silly personification of the unborn is common in the more extreme pro-lifers.

btw, care to provide a defintion for the term at the end of your post? Or is this another one from your personal, singular and flexible dictionary? If so, why use terms that no one understands in discussion?
 
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JayDubya said:
Lol, sure, equality and protecting the innocent sure are "Taliban ideas."

A-derp.
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You don't see the implications of what you're calling for.
 
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Lursa said:
Innocent is an attribute of initiative and conscious decision. Surely you arent implying that the unborn have these attributes?

The unborn cannot act and cannot even form intent, so it's actually empty, a vacuum, and it's so-called 'innocence' is no different then, than a tree or tomato. Wouldnt you agree?

Of course if you choose to value 'emptiness', that is up to you. Such silly personification of the unborn is common in the more extreme pro-lifers.
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"Innocent" refers to those who are guiltless, who haven't done anything wrong, and in this case it is undeniable.

"Personify" is not a synonym with "anthropomorphize."

You use the former, incorrectly, because it's intuitively obvious why the latter has no bearing here, seeing as we're talking about humans.

Your weak attempt to compare those humans you are bigoted against to objects is noted and - like most of your output - it is revolting.
 
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JayDubya said:
"Innocent" refers to those who are guiltless, who haven't done anything wrong, and in this case it is undeniable.
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So you continue with the delusion that the unborn can 'do' anything good OR bad? LOLOLOL Thanks, it's in your own words and everything.

JayDubya said:
"Personify" is not a synonym with "anthropomorphize."
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Oh good for you!! You recognize some standard definitions as well as your own personal ones! Good job!

I didnt use it as such, so understanding that would be your next step.



JayDubya said:
Your weak attempt to compare those humans you are bigoted against to objects is noted and - like most of your output - it is revolting.
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And and of course, the de rigueur objections, "you compared a 'baby' to a <fill in the blank>" *cue the wailing* lol

Predicted and noted.
 
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JayDubya said:
Lol, sure, equality and protecting the innocent sure are "Taliban ideas."

A-derp.
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Forcing women to carry unwanted pregnancies to term is most certainly neo-Taliban-ish.

Reminds me of the reasons ISIS gave for terrorizing Paris. They called France the “capital of prostitution and obscenity.” If ISIS ever takes over that country - you can bet they'll ban abortion - along with other rights.

That's what neo-Talibans do, after all. Try to control others.
 
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Your lack of rebuttal, Lursa, was predicted and is once again noted.
 
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HowardBThiname said:
Forcing women to carry unwanted pregnancies to term is most certainly neo-Taliban-ish.
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Funny, I think killing innocent human beings based upon bigotry sounds entirely consistent with ISIS, and yet you share support for that practice, whereas I do not.
 
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JayDubya said:
Your lack of rebuttal, Lursa, was predicted and is once again noted.
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It was completely rebutted and you apparently cannot point out differently, since you avoided quoting my' lack' LOL.

Dont create falsehoods.
 
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Lursa said:
It was completely rebutted
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Oh? Did you point out how someone physically incapable of doing something wrong is somehow capable of doing something so wrong as to deserve death?

Nope, you didn't.

Did you acknowledge your error in using personify in the wrong context, pretending it was entirely synonymous with another word?

Nope, you didn't.
 
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prometeus said:
You are under the delusion that just because a parent wants their child to hols a particular value or belief, that somehow becomes a universal truth.
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Sorry but somethings are a "universal truth" such as do not murder, or don't throat punch someone and take their wallet. Neat reality you've made for yourself, where the only time you feel as if you can speak up is if the current climate of our culture gives you the ok. Raise your children to have their values change like the wind if you like, where they will stand for nothing, and fall for everything.
 
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JayDubya said:
Funny, I think killing innocent human beings based upon bigotry sounds entirely consistent with ISIS, and yet you share support for that practice, whereas I do not.
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You once again (no surprise there), incorrectly label abortion as the killing of innocent human beings. While, technically a fetus IS a human being - in reality its value is not that of an independent person, especially in early pregnancy. Civilized cultures around the world recognize this. It's only the neo-Talibans that insist on forcing women to carry unwanted pregnancies to term.
 
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JayDubya said:
Oh? Did you point out how someone physically incapable of doing something wrong is somehow capable of doing something so wrong as to deserve death?
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thanks for making my point. It does sound/read as very silly, doenst it? That the unborn, incapable of doing wrong (or right) is judged to have the *personal* characteristic of 'innocence' which requires actual thought or action?

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JayDubya said:
Did you acknowledge your error in using personify in the wrong context, pretending it was entirely synonymous with another word?

Nope, you didn't.
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No, I didnt have to. I was hoping that you'd finally understood the actual meaning of the word 'personify' and that it cannot be attributed to a non-person.

Sad, I thought there had been progress.:(
 
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So you acknowledge that a human being, prior to the advent of higher level consciousness, judgement, and awareness that does not exist until well after birth, is not capable of being guilty of wrongdoing... yet you refuse to call them innocent?

Y'okay. :roll:

What belies your failure here is that a newborn is similarly innocent - a tabula rasa, not capable of wrongdoing - and yet they are extended personhood.
 
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JayDubya said:
Funny, I think killing innocent human beings based upon bigotry sounds entirely consistent with ISIS, and yet you share support for that practice, whereas I do not.
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Correct Jay, And besides Howard has the wrong idea anyway. We are not forcing women to do anything. They should learn who does what. If there was anything that we learn or know about women, and what I want from them with respect to not murdering their babies, I would say so and tell why I felt that way. That's what they are, and what they do (lie, hide, dodge, and dance.
 
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JayDubya said:
So you acknowledge that a human being, prior to the advent of higher level consciousness, judgement, and awareness that does not exist until well after birth, is not capable of being guilty of wrongdoing... yet you refuse to call them innocent?

Y'okay. :roll:

What belies your failure here is that a newborn is similarly innocent - a tabula rasa, not capable of wrongdoing - and yet they are extended personhood.
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Still not quoting me in hopes of escaping notice? *sigh*

The newborn immediately begins to manipulate its environment and has developed the consciousness, awareness, and ability to act on that. And immediately, it begins to judge the responses to those manipulations and act accordingly...for good or evil...but in reality, almost totally in-between.

Nice try and shifting the argument. You failed but only further supported my point.
 
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Gringo allstar said:
Sorry but somethings are a "universal truth" such as do not murder, or don't throat punch someone and take their wallet. Neat reality you've made for yourself, where the only time you feel as if you can speak up is if the current climate of our culture gives you the ok. Raise your children to have their values change like the wind if you like, where they will stand for nothing, and fall for everything.
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Thanks for proving my point.
 
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