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Texas Cuts off Medicaid Funding to Planned Parenthood

WCH said:
Other systems will benefit from that money. Just not PP.
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It was revealed in the PP hearings that around the country and in TX specifically, no other organization has the capacity to do what PP does. The tapes were falsified, so let's stop the madness here.
 
Shadowless said:
It was revealed in the PP hearings that around the country and in TX specifically, no other organization has the capacity to do what PP does. The tapes were falsified, so let's stop the madness here.
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Link?
 
Removable Mind said:
Why not legislate sex as being a crime? I'm more for arresting and convicting the men who ejaculate sperm in women - which results in an unwanted pregnancy. Then make him pay about 100% more in child support than the current law allows...AFTER getting out of prison for causing an unwanted pregnancy.
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Why not practicing personal responsibility. Far less unwanted anythings
 
WCH said:
Link?
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From this article:

The number of women served by clinics within the Texas Women’s Health Program dropped significantly between Fiscal Years 2011 and 2013, when the funding changes took effect. According to a Texas Health and Human Services Commission study, there was an average 25 percent drop statewide, with two of 11 HHSC regions reporting more than 50 percent drops.

As a result of this change, some Texas patients had trouble finding alternate sources of family planning and women’s health, in part because other providers in their area had not previously been providing specialized family planning services and had to first get expensive, time-consuming training in those areas.

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“More than half of Planned Parenthood’s non-profit health centers are in rural or medically underserved areas, and millions rely on us each year for care. If this bill went into effect, blocking our health centers from serving patients who rely on publicly funded programs for health care, millions of people would struggle to access quality reproductive health care -- period. We’ve seen this in states before: When similar measures were passed in Texas, 54 percent fewer patients received care.”
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Planned Parenthood Was Defunded by Texas: Here's What Congress Can Learn - ABC News
 
minnie616 said:
From this article:



Planned Parenthood Was Defunded by Texas: Here's What Congress Can Learn - ABC News
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I have said this umpteen times. Community health systems are already overburdened. Having services does not mean available appointments in those clinics. having clinics does not mean having proper services. Further funding of those systems will likely help plug existing holes, not offer substantial services.

I have a family member using a community health care system. His MD clinic is 3 towns away. Appointments are very difficult to come by. ER and hospitalization has happened twice in the past 4 months because of poor access. Not very cost effective.
 
WCH said:
Why not practicing personal responsibility. Far less unwanted anythings
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Personal responsibility is personal, not up for you to decide.
 
cpwill said:
Quite the contrary - you were the one that pointed out that banning an activity does not reduce it's incidence to zero. I simply agreed with you, and pointed out that that is not a reason to do or not do it.
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Actually you mate an utterly stupid comparison and now that it was shown to be what it is are attempting to salvage it by twisting words. Prohibition and the war on drugs have worked out so well.
 
WCH said:
If a woman thinks that she will have to buy an airplane ticket to have an abortion, it might, might make her think more carefully when considering coitus.
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So it is sexual repression you advocate? Does it have anything to do with how much or how well you do?

Like you said, nothing will stop abortion but, we can slow it down.
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You are not interested in slowing it down, just about feel good measures that achieve nothing but you can stand of a soap box and boast. If you wished to reduce abortions you would be embracing proven measures that have achieved results.
 
prometeus said:
Actually you mate an utterly stupid comparison and now that it was shown to be what it is are attempting to salvage it by twisting words. Prohibition and the war on drugs have worked out so well.
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They dont really care that it wont stop abortions. They just know that it makes it harder and more dangerous for women and approve of that as their 'just punishment.' There are several here that have admitted they do not care at all about that. It's even been compared to their 'criminal sentence'.

It's about punishing women. And then themselves since it will lead to many more unafforable kids and families on the welfare roles....money right out of their pockets that they complain about constantly. It's not even rational to ignore the connection...just to spite women.
 
Paleocon said:
Good. If a judge tells them otherwise, they should tell him to go jump in a lake. Actually they should arrest such a judge, but telling him to eff off would be good enough.
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What happened to your obedience to authority? Wouldn't be a tad, uh, situational, would it?
 
WCH said:
Why not practicing personal responsibility. Far less unwanted anythings
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Yeah, why not?


Okay, we had that moment, back to reality. Do you remember why abortions became legal? I don't know how old you are, but it wasn't to remove an inconvenience from women's lives, it was because women were dying, badly, and suffering terribly from the rotten, evil practitioners of back-alley abortion. Denying women access to safe abortion won't end the practice, or even reduce it, it'll drive it back underground and the suffering caused and social cost will be squarely on the conscience of everyone who calls himself 'pro-life'.
If they have a conscience, that is.
 
WCH said:
Texas announced Monday it was cutting off Medicaid funding to Planned Parenthood clinics following undercover videos that featured discussions about fetal tissue, potentially triggering a court fight like one unfolding in neighboring Louisiana.

Texas health officials sent a letter to Planned Parenthood affiliates saying the clinics were potentially "liable, directly or by affiliation, for a series of serious Medicaid program violations" highlighted in the videos.

Republican Gov. Greg Abbott ordered an investigation after the footage, which Congress also is investigating, was released by an anti-abortion group that alleges Planned Parenthood illegally sold fetal tissue for profit.

Planned Parenthood blasted the decision, noting that thousands of women seek non-abortion health care services through Medicaid at its clinics statewide. The organization also has denied allegations levied by the Center for Medical Progress, saying the videos were deceptively edited.

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Texas Cuts off Medicaid Funding to Planned Parenthood - ABC News
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If PP wants subsidies, it must do, what taxpayers want them to do. If they want to continue to cause and perform abortions, then their is no real constitutional way for an honest government to transfer tax payer funds to them.
 
joG said:
If PP wants subsidies, it must do, what taxpayers want them to do. If they want to continue to cause and perform abortions, then their is no real constitutional way for an honest government to transfer tax payer funds to them.
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Once taxes are paid the money becomes the property of government.
The Hyde amendment prevents taxes from being used for elective abortions.
There are already safeguards in place.
 
prometeus said:
Actually you mate an utterly stupid comparison and now that it was shown to be what it is are attempting to salvage it by twisting words.
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Not really. You are the one trying to make the argument that banning an activity does not reduce it's incidence to zero and that that stands as a logical argument against banning that activity. It's no one's fault but yours that you made a foolish argument. :shrug:
 
Grand Mal said:
Yeah, why not?


Okay, we had that moment, back to reality. Do you remember why abortions became legal? I don't know how old you are, but it wasn't to remove an inconvenience from women's lives, it was because women were dying, badly, and suffering terribly from the rotten, evil practitioners of back-alley abortion. Denying women access to safe abortion won't end the practice, or even reduce it, it'll drive it back underground and the suffering caused and social cost will be squarely on the conscience of everyone who calls himself 'pro-life'.
If they have a conscience, that is.
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So Roe was passed because women couldn't resist their 'urges'? Sounds to me like they solved the responsibility issue by making the act of "taking care of the problem" legal and widely available.

Do people with a 'conscience' realize how sick that is?
 
WCH said:
Family planning = abortion?
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Yes, family planning includes the option of being able to plan when and if you want a chid/children and/or how far to space to space them apart.
I was very ill during my first pregnancy. My kidneys were damaged and the doctor had a full blood transfusion set up for me in delivery room in case I started to bleed to death.
It was imperative that we space our children. My very life depended upon that.
I carefully and consistently used birth control but we were not going to give up our marriage bed because of a possible birth control failure.

Abortion is a legal option.

My husband and I have been very happily married over 40 years.
He is my one and only and is the love of my life.
 
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joG said:
If PP wants subsidies, it must do, what taxpayers want them to do. If they want to continue to cause and perform abortions, then their is no real constitutional way for an honest government to transfer tax payer funds to them.
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They feel entitled.
 
minnie616 said:
Once taxes are paid the money becomes the property of government.
The Hyde amendment prevents taxes from being used for elective abortions.
There are already safeguards in place.
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Don't be silly.

PS: I asked about those "safeguards" and none of the new bigots could elaborate or explain in detail why the measures they mentioned should prevent the Hyde Amendment from being broken.
 
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