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Why is a single cell a person or human being?[W:1080]

Re: Why is a single cell a person or human being?

iguanaman said:
Neither was I. I repeat about 50% of fertilized eggs will abort themselves naturally in the human female making God the biggest abortionist of them all.
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Why bring God into it? Isn't this just pure chance?

-AJF
 
Re: Why is a single cell a person or human being?

Lursa said:
Nope, because plenty...more than are aborted...of babies are born and support those industries just fine. And it's the mothers' actions...'contributing' is an verb.

Nice try tho. (You tried that in the past and failed then too.)
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Didn't fail. The unborn's contribution is providing the stimulus for the mother's actions. She wouldn't buy/pay for these things if it weren't for the unborn.

Born babies don't support prenatal care (anymore). It's unborn babies that support that.

-AJF
 
Re: Why is a single cell a person or human being?

minnie616 said:
Take 3000 fertile women not using birth control over the course of an year and there are probably more than 200 human eggs waiting
To be fertilized.

By the way there is a 5 percent chance of pregnancy for each unprotected vaginal sexual intercourse between a fertile couple.
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But that is 3000 environments, not "an environment" like you said in your original post.

-AJF
 
Re: Why is a single cell a person or human being?

applejuicefool said:
Didn't fail. The unborn's contribution is providing the stimulus for the mother's actions. She wouldn't buy/pay for these things if it weren't for the unborn.

-AJF
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And plenty of women are doing that anyway. Again, there's no harm to the industries, there's no contribution that the individual unborn are making. An individual newborn has the ability to immediately contribute to society directly.

Not only that, a woman does not have to do *any* of those things. And some do not. Individual born people have the ability to affect society as individuals. The unborn have no such ability.
 
Re: Why is a single cell a person or human being?

Lursa said:
LOLOLOL

What you dont realize is that it's not an either/or premise so your judgement is irrelevant.

The 650 women will die anyway and the whatever number of unborn will be aborted (since it's legal).

Now...let's see just what kind of moral High Ground you think you're standing on.

If you restrict abortion, many many more women than 650 will die in pregnancy and childbirth.
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Nowhere near 1.06 million.

And since you qualified 'killing' in abortion only, if you force women to remain pregnant against their will, then you are responsible for killing them.
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Nope. Complications of pregnancy and childbirth are natural causes. Nobody killing anybody. Perhaps if we had serious reason to believe that the pregnancy was likely to kill her, and we did not allow the abortion, that might be considered a killing. No one here is advocating that.

So...need a hand up from your moral "High" Ground? :lamo
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Nope, I'm doing just fine, up here above you.

-AJF
 
Re: Why is a single cell a person or human being?

applejuicefool said:
I didn't say that they shouldn't have sex. What I am saying is that they should factor the risk of pregnancy into their decision to do so. They shouldn't be allowed to kill to absolve themselves of responsibility when pregnancy occurs.

-AJF
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No....because no bc is 100% effective. So you are saying that they MUST have a kid if their bc fails. Or, never have sex.

Is this how you delude yourself into justifying your "suggestions' for reducing abortion? By telling yourself "they really do have choices" when they dont?

It's still the dictator proclaiming....if you get pregnant, you MUST have the baby.
 
Re: Why is a single cell a person or human being?

applejuicefool said:
Of course I did. What I don't understand is why one gives a woman the special, unusual right to kill a baby, while the other one doesn't.

-AJF
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Good thing women don't have a special right to kill babies. :roll:

Women have the right to end a pregnancy. Why?

Because women are the ones that get pregnant.

When/if unexpected pregnancy physically happens to a man, he is welcome to make all the decisions regarding his pregnancy.

That's how choice works.
 
Re: Why is a single cell a person or human being?

Lursa said:
And plenty of women are doing that anyway. Again, there's no harm to the industries, there's no contribution that the individual unborn are making. An individual newborn has the ability to immediately contribute to society directly.
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In what way, that an unborn doesn't?

Not only that, a woman does not have to do *any* of those things. And some do not. Individual born people have the ability to affect society as individuals. The unborn have no such ability.
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Certainly they do. Some unborn can kick, for one thing, causing the mother to feel it.

-AJF
 
Re: Why is a single cell a person or human being?

Lursa said:
No....because no bc is 100% effective. So you are saying that they MUST have a kid if their bc fails. Or, never have sex.

Is this how you delude yourself into justifying your "suggestions' for reducing abortion? By telling yourself "they really do have choices" when they dont?

It's still the dictator proclaiming....if you get pregnant, you MUST have the baby.
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No, just that you can't KILL the baby.

-AJF
 
Re: Why is a single cell a person or human being?

applejuicefool said:
Nowhere near 1.06 million.

-AJF
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Sure...then we would have no aborted kids and 9500 dead women from pregnancy and childbirth and hundreds of thousands of women with severe and lifechanging health issues from those. Plus the pain and suffering of their families.

Yeah, you can dig your way up from your moral stance any day now. Let us know when you reach sea level.

(Based on CDC figures from my previously post.)

Let us know how to over come all that pain and suffering for the women and their families, and the harm to society, please? I'm sure you can think about it on your climb back up, and how allowing all that is so 'moral' and all when it can be prevented.
 
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Re: Why is a single cell a person or human being?

applejuicefool said:
But that is 3000 environments, not "an environment" like you said in your original post.

-AJF
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I stand corrected I should have said environments.
I do have dyslexia and I often leave words out, add words, double words, misspell words,etc.
Most the time other posters overlook some of those errors as long as they can understand what i meant.

Thank you for bringing to my attention that since I said an environment instead of environments you misunderstood the point I was trying to make.
 
Re: Why is a single cell a person or human being?

applejuicefool said:
No, just that you can't KILL the baby.

-AJF
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That is what 'have' means...give birth. Not 'keep', 'have.'

So still not in the realm of reality in the US. Iran maybe. Or Saudi Arabia.
 
Re: Why is a single cell a person or human being?

applejuicefool said:
Yeah, me either. Nobody involved in abortion has a brain.

(I keed, I keed, it was just too good to pass up :p )

-AJF
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Sadly, physical presence of a brain is no guarantee of intelligence... Just a prerequisite for it.
 
Re: Why is a single cell a person or human being?

Doppelgangirl said:
Good thing women don't have a special right to kill babies. :roll:

Women have the right to end a pregnancy. Why?

Because women are the ones that get pregnant.

When/if unexpected pregnancy physically happens to a man, he is welcome to make all the decisions regarding his pregnancy.

That's how choice works.
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Women are the ones that get pregnant, and somehow that relieves a man of all his parental rights, but none of his parental responsibilities. Interesting how that works.

It kinda makes men second class citizens, if you think about it.

-AJF
 
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Lursa said:
Sure...then we would have no aborted kids and 9500 dead women from pregnancy and childbirth and hundreds of thousands of women with severe and lifechanging health issues from those. Plus the pain and suffering of their families.

Yeah, you can dig your way up from your moral stance any day now. Let us know when you reach sea level.

(Based on CDC figures from my previously post.)

Let us know how to over come all that pain and suffering for the women and their families, and the harm to society, please? I'm sure you can think about it on your climb back up, and how allowing all that is so 'moral' and all when it can be prevented.
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Wait...*now* you're claiming that numbers matter? I thought it was quality, not quantity. What changed, now that we're talking about women instead of unborn?

-AJF
 
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Why do all of you argue about this topic in thread after thread? It's so stupid. Government has no business in the discussion. If YOU want/need an abortion, get one. If YOU want a baby, don't get an abortion.

It really is that simple.

It is no one else's business.
 
Re: Why is a single cell a person or human being?

applejuicefool said:
In what way, that an unborn doesn't?


Certainly they do. Some unborn can kick, for one thing, causing the mother to feel it.

-AJF
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The individual baby can smile. It demands attention.

And we already know the unborn affects the mother :doh She is not 'society.'

And unless *she chooses* to share the existance of her unborn, no one else will ever experience it kick or do anything else in its unborn state.

Like I said, FAIL.
 
Re: Why is a single cell a person or human being?

applejuicefool said:
Wait...*now* you're claiming that numbers matter? I thought it was quality, not quantity. What changed, now that we're talking about women instead of unborn?

-AJF
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I'm going along with your argument. Are you saying your argument wasnt valid? You certainly badgered us, in several threads, to answer it.

Quick, you're sliding back down into your hole of moral terpitude!
 
Re: Why is a single cell a person or human being?

Lursa said:
That is what 'have' means...give birth. Not 'keep', 'have.'

So still not in the realm of reality in the US. Iran maybe. Or Saudi Arabia.
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No, we're not saying that she must give birth. That's what you are missing here. We're just saying that she can't kill the baby (or have it killed). However she manages that, I think we're fine with it.

-AJF
 
Re: Why is a single cell a person or human being?

applejuicefool said:
Women are the ones that get pregnant, and somehow that relieves a man of all his parental rights, but none of his parental responsibilities. Interesting how that works.

It kinda makes men second class citizens, if you think about it.

-AJF
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It does no such thing.

We are discussing pregnancy. Not parenthood. Big difference.
 
Re: Why is a single cell a person or human being?

applejuicefool said:
Why bring God into it? Isn't this just pure chance?

-AJF
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Of course it is. It is chance or biological malfunctions that influence chance. My use of God was purely to illustrate the foolishness of the "life begins at conception" crowd who tend to be "religous" and believe abortions are an act against God. If God was against abortion, why would he allow so many?
 
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sar_in_fl said:
Why do all of you argue about this topic in thread after thread?
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Because the mods keep locking threads, so we have to move on to new ones.

It's so stupid. Government has no business in the discussion. If YOU want/need an abortion, get one. If YOU want a baby, don't get an abortion.

It really is that simple.

It is no one else's business.
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Welcome to the argument about this topic in thread after thread. Guess you're on the pro-abort side. Is it any of the government's business if I shoot my neighbor?

-AJF
 
Re: Why is a single cell a person or human being?

applejuicefool said:
No, we're not saying that she must give birth. That's what you are missing here. We're just saying that she can't kill the baby (or have it killed). However she manages that, I think we're fine with it.

-AJF
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So...if a woman/couple gets pregnant and dont want a kid yet...how do they avoid giving birth to the kid?

Are you still dealing in reality or posting fantasies?
 
Re: Why is a single cell a person or human being?

sar_in_fl said:
Why do all of you argue about this topic in thread after thread? It's so stupid. Government has no business in the discussion. If YOU want/need an abortion, get one. If YOU want a baby, don't get an abortion.

It really is that simple.

It is no one else's business.
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Welcome to the forum (if you are new) and see my signature below to get an idea of the stuff pro-life people post here before deciding to get involved.
 
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