My thoughts[W:90]

On the subject of abortion. I happen to disapprove of abortion ----Most of the time< but somtimes I think it is appropriate. This is long-winded because I have put a great deal of thought into I.

1. If a woman or girl is raped, it was not her doing and thus she shouldn't have to bear the resulting offspring.( I do not necessarily include incess but obviously incestuous Sex can create unwanted physical deformities)

2. controverccial I realize, but if the partners had protected sex, indicating that she was not ready for childbirth,or the girl is lied to about protection, and gets pregnant, she should have abortion available to her.

(In either of the above cases, the decision must be by the woman because the donor was not -honest, or it was unintentional on the part of the woman).

3. If it is found that the fetus is unviable for medical reasons, or that the woman (girl) is physically unfit to become a mother --(maybe by age)In my opinion it would be an act of cruelty to continue the pregnancy (depending on the severity) This would of course involve the docter's imput.

4. Late birth abortions (mid-term) should only be allowed in the above cases ohnly when they are medically necessary, or if they are undiscovered within the first Trimester.

5 If the mother's life is at risk, and only, (repeat) ONLY if she can not withstand a “C” Section, should a Partial Birth Abortion be allowed. This proceedure only occures when the Fetus (now, and unborn baby) is sufficiently well developed to live on it's own outside of the mother's belly. (Even if the baby is severly deformed, it should be given the chance at life) and if the motherr can survive the “C” Section, that is the far better choice.

HOWEVER: While it is the woman's body, and for medical reasons, she must have her choice. There is an exception to the rule. TO WIT: If the couple had planned the prgnancy or did nothing to prevent it,(and the mother chnged her mind) then the father has a right to enter into the decison as well. (even more so if the woman planned to trick the father by nor being protected, ) the father should have a right to stop the abortion as he had no part in the original decision, and may want to keep the resulting child.(The pregnancy was literally an unwritten contract between the parties and she must abide by it.)

“ just MY OPINION “ -------- Your's????

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doniston said:

On the subject of abortion. I happen to disapprove of abortion ----Most of the time< but somtimes I think it is appropriate. This is long-winded because I have put a great deal of thought into I.

1. If a woman or girl is raped, it was not her doing and thus she shouldn't have to bear the resulting offspring.( I do not necessarily include incess but obviously incestuous Sex can create unwanted physical deformities)

2. controverccial I realize, but if the partners had protected sex, indicating that she was not ready for childbirth,or the girl is lied to about protection, and gets pregnant, she should have abortion available to her.

(In either of the above cases, the decision must be by the woman because the donor was not -honest, or it was unintentional on the part of the woman).

3. If it is found that the fetus is unviable for medical reasons, or that the woman (girl) is physically unfit to become a mother --(maybe by age)In my opinion it would be an act of cruelty to continue the pregnancy (depending on the severity) This would of course involve the docter's imput.

4. Late birth abortions (mid-term) should only be allowed in the above cases ohnly when they are medically necessary, or if they are undiscovered within the first Trimester.

5 If the mother's life is at risk, and only, (repeat) ONLY if she can not withstand a “C” Section, should a Partial Birth Abortion be allowed. This proceedure only occures when the Fetus (now, and unborn baby) is sufficiently well developed to live on it's own outside of the mother's belly. (Even if the baby is severly deformed, it should be given the chance at life) and if the motherr can survive the “C” Section, that is the far better choice.

HOWEVER: While it is the woman's body, and for medical reasons, she must have her choice. There is an exception to the rule. TO WIT: If the couple had planned the prgnancy or did nothing to prevent it,(and the mother chnged her mind) then the father has a right to enter into the decison as well. (even more so if the woman planned to trick the father by nor being protected, ) the father should have a right to stop the abortion as he had no part in the original decision, and may want to keep the resulting child.(The pregnancy was literally an unwritten contract between the parties and she must abide by it.)

“ just MY OPINION “ -------- Your's????

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How would you go about verifying if the sex was protected or not? For example, you say abortion should be available if they had protected sex but got pregnant anyway? Or the father can get involved if the women planned to 'trick him by not being protected'? Should a women have to prove in a court of law she was raped in order to be eligible under #1?

Having some rules in certain situations and some rules in others doesn't usually work very well. As you've pointed out, there are many situations where abortion is simply the best option. The person getting pregnant is usually the person best placed to weigh up the situations, hence pro-choice.

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doniston said:

On the subject of abortion. I happen to disapprove of abortion ----Most of the time< but somtimes I think it is appropriate. This is long-winded because I have put a great deal of thought into I.

1. If a woman or girl is raped, it was not her doing and thus she shouldn't have to bear the resulting offspring.( I do not necessarily include incess but obviously incestuous Sex can create unwanted physical deformities)

2. controverccial I realize, but if the partners had protected sex, indicating that she was not ready for childbirth,or the girl is lied to about protection, and gets pregnant, she should have abortion available to her.

(In either of the above cases, the decision must be by the woman because the donor was not -honest, or it was unintentional on the part of the woman).

3. If it is found that the fetus is unviable for medical reasons, or that the woman (girl) is physically unfit to become a mother --(maybe by age)In my opinion it would be an act of cruelty to continue the pregnancy (depending on the severity) This would of course involve the docter's imput.

4. Late birth abortions (mid-term) should only be allowed in the above cases ohnly when they are medically necessary, or if they are undiscovered within the first Trimester.

5 If the mother's life is at risk, and only, (repeat) ONLY if she can not withstand a “C” Section, should a Partial Birth Abortion be allowed. This proceedure only occures when the Fetus (now, and unborn baby) is sufficiently well developed to live on it's own outside of the mother's belly. (Even if the baby is severly deformed, it should be given the chance at life) and if the motherr can survive the “C” Section, that is the far better choice.

HOWEVER: While it is the woman's body, and for medical reasons, she must have her choice. There is an exception to the rule. TO WIT: If the couple had planned the prgnancy or did nothing to prevent it,(and the mother chnged her mind) then the father has a right to enter into the decison as well. (even more so if the woman planned to trick the father by nor being protected, ) the father should have a right to stop the abortion as he had no part in the original decision, and may want to keep the resulting child.(The pregnancy was literally an unwritten contract between the parties and she must abide by it.)

“ just MY OPINION “ -------- Your's????

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No, I am sorry, there isn't. Pregnancy is hell on a woman's body. There is no consideration or exception to force her to undergo that. There should be legal protections for the father, as in, if the woman "pulled the catcher and didn't tell", the man shouldn't have to be on the hook for forking out his money to raise that child, unless he so chooses. And if a man and woman want to have children together, and the woman does get pregnant but later decides to abort the child, the man has no authority to force the woman to birth what would have been his child.

Women, by nature, are the physically weaker sex. There needs to be more men on this planet who look at women as their equal counterpart, not something to be subjugated whenever the desire or opportunity arises. Treat all women as though they were your mother, sister, wife, daughter or granddaughter. And if a man can't treat the women of his family right, well, in the Marine Corps. we did a thing called, "Policing our own." Abuse to women by men requires the immediate punishment of that woman beater by other men who don't tolerate that kind of bull**** I.e.:

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doniston said:

On the subject of abortion. I happen to disapprove of abortion ----Most of the time< but somtimes I think it is appropriate. This is long-winded because I have put a great deal of thought into I.

1. If a woman or girl is raped, it was not her doing and thus she shouldn't have to bear the resulting offspring.( I do not necessarily include incess but obviously incestuous Sex can create unwanted physical deformities)

2. controverccial I realize, but if the partners had protected sex, indicating that she was not ready for childbirth,or the girl is lied to about protection, and gets pregnant, she should have abortion available to her.

(In either of the above cases, the decision must be by the woman because the donor was not -honest, or it was unintentional on the part of the woman).

3. If it is found that the fetus is unviable for medical reasons, or that the woman (girl) is physically unfit to become a mother --(maybe by age)In my opinion it would be an act of cruelty to continue the pregnancy (depending on the severity) This would of course involve the docter's imput.

4. Late birth abortions (mid-term) should only be allowed in the above cases ohnly when they are medically necessary, or if they are undiscovered within the first Trimester.

5 If the mother's life is at risk, and only, (repeat) ONLY if she can not withstand a “C” Section, should a Partial Birth Abortion be allowed. This proceedure only occures when the Fetus (now, and unborn baby) is sufficiently well developed to live on it's own outside of the mother's belly. (Even if the baby is severly deformed, it should be given the chance at life) and if the motherr can survive the “C” Section, that is the far better choice.

HOWEVER: While it is the woman's body, and for medical reasons, she must have her choice. There is an exception to the rule. TO WIT: If the couple had planned the prgnancy or did nothing to prevent it,(and the mother chnged her mind) then the father has a right to enter into the decison as well. (even more so if the woman planned to trick the father by nor being protected, ) the father should have a right to stop the abortion as he had no part in the original decision, and may want to keep the resulting child.(The pregnancy was literally an unwritten contract between the parties and she must abide by it.)

“ just MY OPINION “ -------- Your's????

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5. If the mother's life is at risk, and only, (repeat) ONLY if she can not withstand a “C” Section, should a Partial Birth Abortion be allowed. This proceedure only occures when the Fetus (now, and unborn baby) is sufficiently well developed to live on it's own outside of the mother's belly. (Even if the baby is severly deformed, it should be given the chance at life) and if the motherr can survive the “C” Section, that is the far better choice.

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So your only complaint is how the fetus is removed from the woman in a mid or late term [not the same] abortion?

Should every aborted fetus be required have a christian burial?

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doniston said:

On the subject of abortion. I happen to disapprove of abortion ----Most of the time< but somtimes I think it is appropriate. This is long-winded because I have put a great deal of thought into I.

1. If a woman or girl is raped, it was not her doing and thus she shouldn't have to bear the resulting offspring.( I do not necessarily include incess but obviously incestuous Sex can create unwanted physical deformities)

2. controverccial I realize, but if the partners had protected sex, indicating that she was not ready for childbirth,or the girl is lied to about protection, and gets pregnant, she should have abortion available to her.

(In either of the above cases, the decision must be by the woman because the donor was not -honest, or it was unintentional on the part of the woman).

3. If it is found that the fetus is unviable for medical reasons, or that the woman (girl) is physically unfit to become a mother --(maybe by age)In my opinion it would be an act of cruelty to continue the pregnancy (depending on the severity) This would of course involve the docter's imput.

4. Late birth abortions (mid-term) should only be allowed in the above cases ohnly when they are medically necessary, or if they are undiscovered within the first Trimester.

5 If the mother's life is at risk, and only, (repeat) ONLY if she can not withstand a “C” Section, should a Partial Birth Abortion be allowed. This proceedure only occures when the Fetus (now, and unborn baby) is sufficiently well developed to live on it's own outside of the mother's belly. (Even if the baby is severly deformed, it should be given the chance at life) and if the motherr can survive the “C” Section, that is the far better choice.

HOWEVER: While it is the woman's body, and for medical reasons, she must have her choice. There is an exception to the rule. TO WIT: If the couple had planned the prgnancy or did nothing to prevent it,(and the mother chnged her mind) then the father has a right to enter into the decison as well. (even more so if the woman planned to trick the father by nor being protected, ) the father should have a right to stop the abortion as he had no part in the original decision, and may want to keep the resulting child.(The pregnancy was literally an unwritten contract between the parties and she must abide by it.)

“ just MY OPINION “ -------- Your's????

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If you are going to allow kids to be eliminated, it does not really make a qualitative difference why or when. Once you make the decision, you can justify just about anything. The wide difference in accepted practices around the world show this very nicely.

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Nilly said:

How would you go about verifying if the sex was protected or not? For example, you say abortion should be available if they had protected sex but got pregnant anyway? Or the father can get involved if the women planned to 'trick him by not being protected'? Should a women have to prove in a court of law she was raped in order to be eligible under #1?

Having some rules in certain situations and some rules in others doesn't usually work very well. As you've pointed out, there are many situations where abortion is simply the best option. The person getting pregnant is usually the person best placed to weigh up the situations, hence pro-choice.

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I agree, hense the title, My thoughts, these rules only apply with the agreement of the participants, not intended to be laws.

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1750Texan said:

So your only complaint is how the fetus is removed from the woman in a mid or late term [not the same] abortion?

Should every aborted fetus be required have a christian burial?

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What complaint? I'm not in favor of abortions in general, I was only trying to apply some sense and fairness to the situation. including the "VIABLE" fetus. But I realize that sometimes it is the most practical outcome. (and I know you won't like that terminology)

As for the burial? NO. even I don't want a religious burial. I want to be creamated and flushed.

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joG said:

If you are going to allow kids to be eliminated, it does not really make a qualitative difference why or when. Once you make the decision, you can justify just about anything. The wide difference in accepted practices around the world show this very nicely.

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You see that's the difference. I wouldn't allow, and am deadset against eliminating kids. the only time I personally would agree to the destruction of a fetus wuld be to save the life of the mother, or before it was a viable being., (like before the firsttrimester.) don't give me that kid, child, baby crap. (and it is CRAP) at that time tho humanly propogated, it is still just a blob of cells.

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doniston said:

On the subject of abortion. I happen to disapprove of abortion ----Most of the time< but somtimes I think it is appropriate. This is long-winded because I have put a great deal of thought into I.

1. If a woman or girl is raped, it was not her doing and thus she shouldn't have to bear the resulting offspring.( I do not necessarily include incess but obviously incestuous Sex can create unwanted physical deformities)

2. controverccial I realize, but if the partners had protected sex, indicating that she was not ready for childbirth,or the girl is lied to about protection, and gets pregnant, she should have abortion available to her.

(In either of the above cases, the decision must be by the woman because the donor was not -honest, or it was unintentional on the part of the woman).

3. If it is found that the fetus is unviable for medical reasons, or that the woman (girl) is physically unfit to become a mother --(maybe by age)In my opinion it would be an act of cruelty to continue the pregnancy (depending on the severity) This would of course involve the docter's imput.

4. Late birth abortions (mid-term) should only be allowed in the above cases ohnly when they are medically necessary, or if they are undiscovered within the first Trimester.

5 If the mother's life is at risk, and only, (repeat) ONLY if she can not withstand a “C” Section, should a Partial Birth Abortion be allowed. This proceedure only occures when the Fetus (now, and unborn baby) is sufficiently well developed to live on it's own outside of the mother's belly. (Even if the baby is severly deformed, it should be given the chance at life) and if the motherr can survive the “C” Section, that is the far better choice.

HOWEVER: While it is the woman's body, and for medical reasons, she must have her choice. There is an exception to the rule. TO WIT: If the couple had planned the prgnancy or did nothing to prevent it,(and the mother chnged her mind) then the father has a right to enter into the decison as well. (even more so if the woman planned to trick the father by nor being protected, ) the father should have a right to stop the abortion as he had no part in the original decision, and may want to keep the resulting child.(The pregnancy was literally an unwritten contract between the parties and she must abide by it.)

“ just MY OPINION “ -------- Your's????

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So to paraphrase:

I'm pro-choice.

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Was that really that difficult?

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That's all any of us is.

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Gee, I'm sure women will be so concerned about when you think it's "acceptable" for them to make their own medical and family choices with their own bodies, or when you think a man should be able to force her to reproduce.

Do you think women will be so thrilled with having your limited permission and approval, or so concerned about your condemnation?

Why on earth would you think any woman would care? The bottom line is, it isn't your body, and no such sanctimony will ever stop a woman from aborting, and no man will ever have the power to force her to have children.

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doniston said:

You see that's the difference. I wouldn't allow, and am deadset against eliminating kids. the only time I personally would agree to the destruction of a fetus wuld be to save the life of the mother, or before it was a viable being., (like before the firsttrimester.) don't give me that kid, child, baby crap. (and it is CRAP) at that time tho humanly propogated, it is still just a blob of cells.

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It is an interesting ethical question that is probably hard wired into us with logical contradiction: When are you allowed to terminate one human to save another?
I have always found the Fat Man Paradox fun.

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doniston said:

On the subject of abortion. I happen to disapprove of abortion ----Most of the time< but somtimes I think it is appropriate. This is long-winded because I have put a great deal of thought into I.

1. If a woman or girl is raped, it was not her doing and thus she shouldn't have to bear the resulting offspring.( I do not necessarily include incess but obviously incestuous Sex can create unwanted physical deformities)

2. controverccial I realize, but if the partners had protected sex, indicating that she was not ready for childbirth,or the girl is lied to about protection, and gets pregnant, she should have abortion available to her.

(In either of the above cases, the decision must be by the woman because the donor was not -honest, or it was unintentional on the part of the woman).

3. If it is found that the fetus is unviable for medical reasons, or that the woman (girl) is physically unfit to become a mother --(maybe by age)In my opinion it would be an act of cruelty to continue the pregnancy (depending on the severity) This would of course involve the docter's imput.

4. Late birth abortions (mid-term) should only be allowed in the above cases ohnly when they are medically necessary, or if they are undiscovered within the first Trimester.

5 If the mother's life is at risk, and only, (repeat) ONLY if she can not withstand a “C” Section, should a Partial Birth Abortion be allowed. This proceedure only occures when the Fetus (now, and unborn baby) is sufficiently well developed to live on it's own outside of the mother's belly. (Even if the baby is severly deformed, it should be given the chance at life) and if the motherr can survive the “C” Section, that is the far better choice.

HOWEVER: While it is the woman's body, and for medical reasons, she must have her choice. There is an exception to the rule. TO WIT: If the couple had planned the prgnancy or did nothing to prevent it,(and the mother chnged her mind) then the father has a right to enter into the decison as well. (even more so if the woman planned to trick the father by nor being protected, ) the father should have a right to stop the abortion as he had no part in the original decision, and may want to keep the resulting child.(The pregnancy was literally an unwritten contract between the parties and she must abide by it.)

“ just MY OPINION “ -------- Your's????

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Intentionally killing an innocent person is always wrong and must always be punished by law.

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Paleocon said:

Intentionally killing an innocent person is always wrong and must always be punished by law.

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Yea, but this is not the middle ages and now we have science and know more about a fetus than the dictates of religious dogma.

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Jango said:

No, I am sorry, there isn't. Pregnancy is hell on a woman's body. There is no consideration or exception to force her to undergo that. There should be legal protections for the father, as in, if the woman "pulled the catcher and didn't tell", the man shouldn't have to be on the hook for forking out his money to raise that child, unless he so chooses. And if a man and woman want to have children together, and the woman does get pregnant but later decides to abort the child, the man has no authority to force the woman to birth what would have been his child.

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You are correct that there is presently no authority, but IMO, there should be, when the pregnancy was planned and then the woman changes her mind. An accidnt would be a different matter.

The second porion of your post was deleted as being completely off topic.

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Dragonfly said:

So to paraphrase:



Was that really that difficult?

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nota bene said:

That's all any of us is.

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Waaaaaaat?????

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SmokeAndMirrors said:

Gee, I'm sure women will be so concerned about when you think it's "acceptable" for them to make their own medical and family choices with their own bodies, or when you think a man should be able to force her to reproduce.

Do you think women will be so thrilled with having your limited permission and approval, or so concerned about your condemnation?

Why on earth would you think any woman would care? The bottom line is, it isn't your body, and no such sanctimony will ever stop a woman from aborting, and no man will ever have the power to force her to have children.

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Now that you've had your rant-------??

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Paleocon said:

Intentionally killing an innocent person is always wrong and must always be punished by law.

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In most cases of abortion, it ain't a person.

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doniston said:

You see that's the difference. I wouldn't allow, and am deadset against eliminating kids. the only time I personally would agree to the destruction of a fetus wuld be to save the life of the mother, or before it was a viable being., (like before the firsttrimester.) don't give me that kid, child, baby crap. (and it is CRAP) at that time tho humanly propogated, it is still just a blob of cells.

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The earliest that a baby was delivered and survived ( with lots of medical intervention ) is 20 weeks I believe. No fetus is viable until that point.

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doniston said:

In most cases of abortion, it ain't a person.

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I assumed you were talking about human abortion.

I tend to think that animal abortions should be illegal after the unborn animal acquires the ability to feel pain of sense, with an exception for the life or health of the mother, although violations of this should be considered misdemeanors, and are infinitely less important than the killing of humans.

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doniston said:

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You could have saved a ton of your time and ours by saying:

I'm pro-choice.

Then possibly one or two sentences with the small caveat about the woman wanting get preggers then changing her mind.

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Paleocon said:

I assumed you were talking about human abortion.

I tend to think that animal abortions should be illegal after the unborn animal acquires the ability to feel pain of sense, with an exception for the life or health of the mother, although violations of this should be considered misdemeanors, and are infinitely less important than the killing of humans.

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Well, here's the thing. IMO, there are some delusional beliefs that humans have about what animal species are, or should be, exempt from death in certain ways. Some folks have concluded that humans have evolved enough to place specific and/or equal values on any given species, including its own. And responsibly act on those beliefs. BS!

Isn't it obvious that humans in different cultures and environments absolutely don't hold equivalent values on human life...much less any other forms of life?

And I argue that humans aren't terminally unique.

"In my opinion", the problem, to me, is actually based on hypocrisy, which is: The failure to recognize "life", or the fundamental essence of life itself, as the primary value to be respected in all species. Instead the value of life is determined by the amount of intellect of any given species...which to me is completely screwed up thinking. As far as we know, humans are the only species intelligent enough to arrive as such a belief...and act on it.

Humans have the propensity to be viscous predators. They will kill anything, anyplace, at any time. Humans are so primitive that they can't stop having wars among each other. Crimes in which lives are taken are commonplace.

If all nations put the same amount of money and effort into research and development of life saving drugs, medical procedures, etc...as they have for financing wars - what a totally different world we'd live in.

I just read a recent article that said that in the last 40 years that humans have eliminated about 40% of all living species on the planet. Can't anybody see the sheer lack of respect that humans have for life of any kind?

Ye of little faith in science - please do know that in the not too distant future. Abortions will become a thing of the past. Technology will prevail. But as long as we live inside our antiquated minds - and fight against those technologies - because some very backward people, several thousands of years ago, created beliefs that revolved around humans being part mortal and part supernatural.

We have to let go of those ancient ways of thinking.

Otherwise, science will continued to be stifled, stunted, held back from doing some very profound things regarding human reproduction. And that is to develop methods of birth control that entirely removes the need to make conscious efforts to prevent unwanted conceptions. And such technologies will be totally at the control of humans.

Example: A recent development in a microchip than can be implanted in women, which manages the hormones that allow women to conceive. The microchip will be able to be turned on and off at will. The life expectancy of this chip will be about 15 years before having to replace it. And surely significant technologies will be developed to work similarly in men. HOWEVER, I perceive a problem being - ACCESS. People apparently see more need in control such technologies for the sake of profit over the global, long-term benefits of humanity's ability maintain such control over reproduction.

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wolfsgirl said:

The earliest that a baby was delivered and survived ( with lots of medical intervention ) is 20 weeks I believe. No fetus is viable until that point.

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21 weeks and 5 days. Which is almost 22 weeks.

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Removable Mind said:

Well, here's the thing. IMO, there are some delusional beliefs that humans have about what animal species are, or should be, exempt from death in certain ways. Some folks have concluded that humans have evolved enough to place specific and/or equal values on any given species, including its own. And responsibly act on those beliefs. BS!

Isn't it obvious that humans in different cultures and environments absolutely don't hold equivalent values on human life...much less any other forms of life?

And I argue that humans aren't terminally unique.

"In my opinion", the problem, to me, is actually based on hypocrisy, which is: The failure to recognize "life", or the fundamental essence of life itself, as the primary value to be respected in all species. Instead the value of life is determined by the amount of intellect of any given species...which to me is completely screwed up thinking. As far as we know, humans are the only species intelligent enough to arrive as such a belief...and act on it.

Humans have the propensity to be viscous predators. They will kill anything, anyplace, at any time. Humans are so primitive that they can't stop having wars among each other. Crimes in which lives are taken are commonplace.

If all nations put the same amount of money and effort into research and development of life saving drugs, medical procedures, etc...as they have for financing wars - what a totally different world we'd live in.

I just read a recent article that said that in the last 40 years that humans have eliminated about 40% of all living species on the planet. Can't anybody see the sheer lack of respect that humans have for life of any kind?

Ye of little faith in science - please do know that in the not too distant future. Abortions will become a thing of the past. Technology will prevail. But as long as we live inside our antiquated minds - and fight against those technologies - because some very backward people, several thousands of years ago, created beliefs that revolved around humans being part mortal and part supernatural.

We have to let go of those ancient ways of thinking.

Otherwise, science will continued to be stifled, stunted, held back from doing some very profound things regarding human reproduction. And that is to develop methods of birth control that entirely removes the need to make conscious efforts to prevent unwanted conceptions. And such technologies will be totally at the control of humans.

Example: A recent development in a microchip than can be implanted in women, which manages the hormones that allow women to conceive. The microchip will be able to be turned on and off at will. The life expectancy of this chip will be about 15 years before having to replace it. And surely significant technologies will be developed to work similarly in men. HOWEVER, I perceive a problem being - ACCESS. People apparently see more need in control such technologies for the sake of profit over the global, long-term benefits of humanity's ability maintain such control over reproduction.

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What are you babbling about?