Why Abortion is WRONG! It is Just THIS Simple...[W:875,1181]

Logicman said:

I don't know where you get all that cyber-dysentery but I never said all that. That's just your liberal nonsense.

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Sure you did Mr. Logic. You have mentioned on much more than 1 occasion how various members of this forum will be going to hell or facing a judgement from god that won't go very well based on their beliefs. Then you berated me and all "bleeding heart liberals" about letting immigrants in the back door or some such nonsense. To be honest I was surprised "a man of god" (LOL) would actually admit that kind of opinion. Kudos to you Mr. Logic. The logical conclusion to be drawn is you value fetuses more than actual people... like immigrants. Granted I focused on the recent surge in unaccompanied minors that have recently flooded the borders but it goes just as well for the adults. The posts are there. I leave it to the readers to draw their own conclusions.

I was thinking about your "good works" question. Maybe its different for every individual and only god knows what kind and how many good works are "required". Just a thought. Since I don't believe in christian religion and all it entails it doesn't matter much to me. Its amazing how god is described with all these traits common to humans. You would think a god that could create the universe would be above all that.

Hari Seldon said:

Sure you did Mr. Logic. You have mentioned on much more than 1 occasion how various members of this forum will be going to hell or facing a judgement from god that won't go very well based on their beliefs.

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Facing a Judgment. That's what I said. And everyone goes to the Judgment. That doesn't necessarily equate with me saying someone is definitely going to Hell. So show me the post where I specifically condemned someone to Hell?

Hari Seldon said:

Then you berated me and all "bleeding heart liberals" about letting immigrants in the back door or some such nonsense.

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Liberals deserve to be berated for appeasing lawlessness at the border.

Hari Seldon said:

To be honest I was surprised "a man of god" (LOL) would actually admit that kind of opinion. Kudos to you Mr. Logic. The logical conclusion to be drawn is you value fetuses more than actual people... like immigrants.

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So you're fine with illegal immigrants breaking the law, huh? And men of God aren't supposed to support our law on that? Seriously? What's the number of crimes committed by illegals up to since Obama took office? Isn't it over 600,000 now? And you're fine with that? Congratulations, Mr. Seldon! You liberals are really special.

Hari Seldon said:

I was thinking about your "good works" question. Maybe its different for every individual and only god knows what kind and how many good works are "required". Just a thought. Since I don't believe in christian religion and all it entails it doesn't matter much to me. Its amazing how god is described with all these traits common to humans. You would think a god that could create the universe would be above all that.

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The problem for you is that the Bible teaches eternal security and that you can know that you are saved. Two scriptures that come to mind are John 5:24 and Romans 10:9-10. So that busts your 'works-oriented' salvation.

What must you do to be saved?

1 Say the right things.

For by thy words thou shalt be justified. -- Matthew 12:37

2 Do the right things. (Be a do-gooder.)

And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life. -- John 5:29

I the Lord ... give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings. -- Jeremiah 17:10

For we must all appear before the jugment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad. -- 2 Corinthians 5:10

3 Believe the right things.

A man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. -- Romans 3:28

Therefore, being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. -- Romans 5:1

A man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ. -- Galatians 2:16

For by grace are ye saved through faith. -- Ephesians 2:8

4 Do and believe the right things.

Faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. -- James 2:17

5 Work your way to heaven.

For you render to each one according to his works. -- Psalm 62:12

For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works. -- Matthew 16.27

And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. -- Revelation 20:12-13

Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works. -- 2 Corinthians 11:15

The Father, who without partiality judges according to each one's work. -- 1 Peter 1:17

What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? -- James 2:14, 17, 20, 24, 26

I will give unto every one of you according to your works. -- Revelation 2:23

Behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work. -- Revelation 22:12

6 Burn your work.

If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. -- 1 Corinthians 3:15

7 Work it out with fear and trembling.

Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. -- Philippians 2:12

Bicycle said:

I never said that having sex = creating life.

I said creating life and bearing a child are not blood transfusions, and it's ridiculous, both academically and scientifically speaking, to pretend they are. It brings nothing to the conversation.

In future, try to go with what I actually say, instead of pretending I mean something other than what I actually said, and addressing THAT. THAT is only occurring in your mind. But what I SAY is actually printed out.

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Nobody is creating a life. Life simply exists and takes various forms. The woman's body and life are creating another living body, but that is not creation of life.

The reason you want to ridicule the comparison of blood transfusion and transfer of blood contents is because Thomsen's philosophical argument is very good and has since before Roe v Wade been a major challenge to the anti-abortion argument. That IS what it brings to the conversation.

Bicycle said:

This is sort of funny coming from the pro-death crowd, who maintain that *scientifically* the unborn are *not human*, that abortion isn't killing, and that human rights aren't violated by the people who benefit the most from the abortion industry's unfettered access to women and girls....i.e., pimps, abusers, human traffickers. Their assertions are founded and grounded in manipulating language, and pretending it's *science* when they change definitions to suit their purposes, lol.

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Nobody here is saying they aren't human, please stop lying about that.

Zefs don't have 'human rights' and have never had them. You and you ilk want to deny women their right to security of the person.