Why Save the Fetus? [W:478]

JayDubya said:

Your standard for "term" seems to be whatever nonsense one pulls out of their ass.

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Jay. Reality check. You are on a discussion board. On the internet. Acronyms, abbreviations, emoticons, emoji are normal.

The funny think is that your constant panty wadding over this has made the term a lot more understood than ever. All acronyms start somewhere, There is no official licensing board acronyms that I know of....they just are used and gain traction (or not). You apparently are the vehicle for gaining traction. Own it.

JayDubya said:

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No, you have not. Just stop, already.

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Of course he has. You are only showing all of us how easily you deny reality, which does not bode well for any of your other arguments.

JayDubya said:

ITT, people happily employ crowdsourced websites as primary sources.

smh

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ITW (In This World), language is crowdsourced.

Get over it.

...ye gods, you've done the irony thing again. Complaining about people's use of a particular acronym by using a recently-popularised acronym. Or can you find 'ITT' in a non-crowdsourced dictionary?

EDIT: I don't even know what 'smh' stands for...

iangb said:

EDIT: I don't even know what 'smh' stands for...

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Shaking my head.

Internet slang. No irony when it was quite deliberate to demonstrate something that actually exists as a somewhat widespread concept.

Unsurprisingly, internet slang is often not understood. Understand that far more people use SMH to represent shaking their head than ever have referred to a human being as a sequence of 3 letters.

JayDubya said:

Shaking my head.

Internet slang. No irony when it was quite deliberate to demonstrate something that actually exists as a somewhat widespread concept.

Unsurprisingly, internet slang is often not understood. Understand that far more people use SMH to represent shaking their head than ever have referred to a human being as a sequence of 3 letters.

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If not irony then (as aforementioned) hypocrisy. Use acronyms when they suit you, try and take the grammer-nazi high ground when they don't.

Meh. If you want to pretend you don't understand what people are talking about, you have only yourself to blame when you aren't taken seriously.

iangb said:

If not irony then (as aforementioned) hypocrisy. Use acronyms when they suit you, try and take the grammer-nazi high ground when they don't.

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You're relying on some sort of straw man where I came out and took a stand against all acronyms like "never ever say FBI, it's the Federal Bureau of Investigation." No, it's the FBI, they're a thing. Commonly used in netspeak even, like "BRB FBI."

Instead of questioning, with good reason, the legitimacy of nonsense that is only employed by a tiny number of pro-aborts on the internet, and always used to be reductive and dismissive. Slang, yes, but it comes off as stupid and it's an obvious slur. It reminds me of "cac." If you don't know what that is, I'm not surprised, but then that's kind of my point.

Even as a joke / meme that is minor in its scope, "BRB FBI" is a more legitimate package of meaning understood and employed by more people than "ZEF."

JayDubya said:

You're relying on some sort of straw man where I came out and took a stand against all acronyms like "never ever say FBI, it's the Federal Bureau of Investigation." No, it's the FBI, they're a thing. Commonly used in netspeak even, like "BRB FBI."

Instead of questioning, with good reason, the legitimacy of nonsense that is only employed by a tiny number of pro-aborts on the internet, and always used to be reductive and dismissive. Slang, yes, but it comes off as stupid and it's an obvious slur. It reminds me of "cac." If you don't know what that is, I'm not surprised, but then that's kind of my point.

Even as a joke / meme that is minor in its scope, "BRB FBI" is a more legitimate package of meaning understood and employed by more people than "ZEF."

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It only seems offensive/reductive to you, quite possibly because of your views on the topic (there's that 'pro-aborts' term again!)

When in a group discussion, you use the language that the group adopts and you in turn influence the language that the group adopts. Even this argument currently consists of you simply making a more formal/obvious attempt to influence the language used, based on your own personal opinions: that 'ITT', 'SMH', 'pro-aborts' are fine - but 'ZEF' and 'fertilised egg' is not. The problem you have is that your opinion is simply your own opinion. By trying to pretend that it has some overwhelming legitimacy - in spite of the fact that you have been proved that both of these terms have legitimacies of their own - you are shown to be holding others to a standard which you do not hold for yourself.

TTFN

So long as science is unable to prove the existence of a soul- and is therefore inconclusive on when a life begins- I will support funding other options for women and will not support the funding of abortion. The risk of taking the life of a human is one I'm unwilling to take despite my compassion for the mother. This is why I'm "Pro-Life."

JayDubya said:

You're relying on some sort of straw man where I came out and took a stand against all acronyms like "never ever say FBI, it's the Federal Bureau of Investigation." No, it's the FBI, they're a thing. Commonly used in netspeak even, like "BRB FBI."

Instead of questioning, with good reason, the legitimacy of nonsense that is only employed by a tiny number of pro-aborts on the internet, and always used to be reductive and dismissive. Slang, yes, but it comes off as stupid and it's an obvious slur. It reminds me of "cac." If you don't know what that is, I'm not surprised, but then that's kind of my point.

Even as a joke / meme that is minor in its scope, "BRB FBI" is a more legitimate package of meaning understood and employed by more people than "ZEF."

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But on this website and many other sites you can get confronted with the acronym ZEF when discussing the issue of abortion. There is little need to fully type stuff out you can just write it in three letters.

aland444 said:

So long as science is unable to prove the existence of a soul- and is therefore inconclusive on when a life begins- I will support funding other options for women and will not support the funding of abortion. The risk of taking the life of a human is one I'm unwilling to take despite my compassion for the mother. This is why I'm "Pro-Life."

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Based on the above, what are your opinions on contraception? Are you willing to take the risk that sperm are not ensouled, given that science has nothing to say on the matter?

aland444 said:

So long as science is unable to prove the existence of a soul- and is therefore inconclusive on when a life begins- I will support funding other options for women and will not support the funding of abortion. The risk of taking the life of a human is one I'm unwilling to take despite my compassion for the mother. This is why I'm "Pro-Life."

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I am a pro choice Christian and I do not believe a zygote has a soul.
About two thirds of zygotes never implant or self abort during the first week of pregnancy.
God knows that.
I feel God values souls.
I believe , like many other Christian and Jewish denominations and faith groups believe that ensoulment happens during birth or later in the pregnancy.