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What penalty should the forced abortionists (includin conspirators) receive?[W:88:158

What should the penalty be?

  • Death

    Votes: 4 22.2%

  • Life at hard labor, without parole

    Votes: 2 11.1%

  • Life without parole

    Votes: 4 22.2%

  • Life at hard labor, with the possibility of parole

    Votes: 1 5.6%

  • Life with the possibility of parole

    Votes: 1 5.6%

  • Hard labor for a set time

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Imprisonment for a set time

    Votes: 2 11.1%

  • They should receive different punishments

    Votes: 2 11.1%

  • They shouldn't be punished. They're heroes, just like Hitler

    Votes: 1 5.6%

  • Other

    Votes: 5 27.8%
  • Total voters
    18
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Re: What penalty should the forced abortionists (includin conspirators) receive?[W:88

Paleocon said:
The Nuremberg precedent says that certain crimes can be punished by a future civil authority even if they were authorized or even mandated by civil law at the time.
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1.) so the answer is no it has nothing to do with age.
2.)abortion is not a crime nor is it a crime being authorized nor is it a crime being mandated
3.)also this sounds like war crime/new country vs old country stuff which also doesnt apply
 
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AGENT J said:
1.) so the answer is no it has nothing to do with age.
2.)abortion is not a crime nor is it a crime being authorized nor is it a crime being mandated
3.)also this sounds like war crime/new country vs old country stuff which also doesnt apply
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Crimes against humanity (such as forced abortion) can be committed during peacetime.
 
Re: What penalty should the forced abortionists (includin conspirators) receive?[W:88

Paleocon said:
Crimes against humanity (such as forced abortion) can be committed during peacetime.
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again thats not a crime and peace time is irrelevant

so its just like i said the precedent you are talking about has no relevance and is about war crimes, thanks
 
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AGENT J said:
1.) again this is asinine to me and theres no logic to support it
2.) unless the 13 year old is some savant and the 18yr old slow and below avg theres a GREAT deal of difference between them.
again i simply use the example of how a 13 year old would probably kill himself and or others if treated like an adult and a 18 yr old would not
3.) puberty?!?!?! you mean that thing that kids wouldnt even know what is unless they were told and many 13 year olds still dont understanding it after they are told
4.) wow sorry but that "view" is mentally insane and retarded to me and i would consider that abuse and abandonment
5.) luckily they wont
6.) so again 13 yr olds should drive,be able to get guns, drink, vote and work
7.) well im trying to see the sense and so far i havent

out of curiosity were you an orphan or have abusive parents because thats really the only thing that makes any rational or logical sense for you to have these views
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Before i go any further with my reasoning I'd like to know why you think I'd have to have some sort of dysfunction in my life to think that a 13 year old is perfectly as capable as an 18 year old of handling themselves in the real world. Seriously. i'm trying to look at your view as much as you are mine. And so far im getting you think im totally whacked out. i understand yours, its the ho hum as everyone else thinks. At least that's what im getting out of it
 
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Lursa said:
So, 13 yr olds should be driving? Drinking? Signing contracts? If a 13 yr old has the money....can sign all the necessary papers for a mortgage? Vote? Can be the legal guardian and caretaker for younger brothers and sisters? Can decide to take their mother or father off life support? Join the military and fight in a war?

Whatever your answer....do you know "the reason" they do not have the right to do these things? *Judgement and poor impulse control* Generally proven to be much less than 18 yr old abilities. (Not that I believe that 18 is the end all and be all of the age of reason)

God help me I dont want 13 yr olds driving....and texting and talking on cell phones and ????
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you answered my questions for me. you mean the reason they dont have the right is society treating them like children when in fact they are not. 13 is just as capable as 18 no freaking doubt. Society treats them like babies, they are not babies. And yes a 13 year old should be able to vote, drink go to war drive, all those things. guess what they can't cause the law says they are babies. Who made 18 the age? I mean seriously, i'm trying to understand why society think 18 is a magical age and history and nature ( reproductive around age 13) tells us otherwise. The only thing preventing 13 year olds from success is society, not the fact they are 13. 13 is really the age an adult should be IMO.
 
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Steve Ja said:
1.)Before i go any further with my reasoning I'd like to know why you think I'd have to have some sort of dysfunction in my life to think that a 13 year old is perfectly as capable as an 18 year old of handling themselves in the real world.

2.)Seriously. i'm trying to look at your view as much as you are mine.

3.) And so far im getting you think im totally whacked out. i understand yours, its the ho hum as everyone else thinks. At least that's what im getting out of it
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1.) because you still haven't provided any sound logic to support such.
Being 13 once, raising my own daughter and working with 13yr olds for the last 11 years iver nothing that would ever even hint that 13 is equivalent to 18yr olds as far as the ability to handle themselves in the real world, such claims are asinine. Like i said many 13yr olds would kill themselves and or others if left alone and treated as adults, thats NOT the case with 18 year olds.

so since theres no logic, facts, rational or reasoning to equate a 13 year old to an 18 year old i was WONDERING if personal experience like abuse or orphanage is blinding you to reality that 13yr olds are not equivalent to 18yr olds

2.) nothing wrong with that

3.) I think "you" are whacked out? no, i dont know you and i wouldnt make that judgement of a person based on one opinion no matter how illogical. But as far as your IDEA that 13yr olds are the same as 18 yr olds and should be treated as adults, yes that IDEA is bat**** insane, irrational, non reality based and cant be supported by any sound logic or facts. Hence my questions.
 
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Steve Ja said:
you answered my questions for me. you mean the reason they dont have the right is society treating them like children when in fact they are not. 13 is just as capable as 18 no freaking doubt. Society treats them like babies, they are not babies. And yes a 13 year old should be able to vote, drink go to war drive, all those things. guess what they can't cause the law says they are babies. Who made 18 the age? I mean seriously, i'm trying to understand why society think 18 is a magical age and history and nature ( reproductive around age 13) tells us otherwise. The only thing preventing 13 year olds from success is society, not the fact they are 13. 13 is really the age an adult should be IMO.
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NONSENSE. The age of 13 is NOT the same as 18, nor should the legal age of adulthood ever be lowered to 13.
 
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Ocean007 said:
NONSENSE. The age of 13 is NOT the same as 18, nor should the legal age of adulthood ever be lowered to 13.
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As a mother of 4 children, now all adults I completely agree.
 
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Steve Ja said:
you answered my questions for me. you mean the reason they dont have the right is society treating them like children when in fact they are not. 13 is just as capable as 18 no freaking doubt. Society treats them like babies, they are not babies. And yes a 13 year old should be able to vote, drink go to war drive, all those things. guess what they can't cause the law says they are babies. Who made 18 the age? I mean seriously, i'm trying to understand why society think 18 is a magical age and history and nature ( reproductive around age 13) tells us otherwise. The only thing preventing 13 year olds from success is society, not the fact they are 13. 13 is really the age an adult should be IMO.
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You are completely wrong. You want to be taken seriously and keep saying...'I want to learn'...I truly no longer believe that you are 34. I just dont. You base your opinions on wishful thinking and not much else.


Your Teen (from Scientific American)

10.16.2008 - This is your brain on adolescence (From USC Berkeley)

Why do teens make foolish decisions?

Adolescent Brain and Behavior | Why Do Teens Act This Way?


And there's a million more.
 
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Lursa said:
You are completely wrong. You want to be taken seriously and keep saying...'I want to learn'...I truly no longer believe that you are 34. I just dont. You base your opinions on wishful thinking and not much else.


Your Teen (from Scientific American)

10.16.2008 - This is your brain on adolescence (From USC Berkeley)

Why do teens make foolish decisions?

Adolescent Brain and Behavior | Why Do Teens Act This Way?


And there's a million more.
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Yep, theres a poll on the idea that 13 is equal to 18 now
http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/183864-13-years-old-should-legal-age-adult.html
 
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AJ that poll is great. It brings up alot more angles than just this discussion...but it kind of comes full circle.

Many people pointed out that it would make 13 yr olds much more vulnerable to sexual abuse and predators...they'd be 'legal.'

So we'd end up with MORE pregnant 13 yr olds...by choice and by force. How could that possibly be good? For them or for society?
 
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Lursa said:
You are completely wrong. You want to be taken seriously and keep saying...'I want to learn'...I truly no longer believe that you are 34. I just dont. You base your opinions on wishful thinking and not much else.


Your Teen (from Scientific American)

10.16.2008 - This is your brain on adolescence (From USC Berkeley)

Why do teens make foolish decisions?

Adolescent Brain and Behavior | Why Do Teens Act This Way?


And there's a million more.
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I want to learn about some things and some things just are. I try to think outside the box. Sorry if it offends you. And my age is indeed what I claim
 
Re: What penalty should the forced abortionists (including the conspirators) receive?

Nope - 13.

I know it'll make some people flip the hell out (gee - shock) - but a 13 year old should NOT carry a child, give birth, etc. I support the parents and the judge. They did the right thing.

Being pregnant doesn't suddenly make someone of that age mature enough to make such serious decisions. To me, it's unquestionable. If she was older it would be more of a gray line, depending on other factors as to whether or not it would be safe.
 
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No, savagely killing an innocent human being in cold blood is not "the right thing." Allowing it is barbarism. Promoting it as you have is barbarism.
 
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Why should they be punished at all? The girl was 13. When you're 13 you don't get to make a lot of your own decisions, including medical decisions. It's ****ty that the parents didn't take their daughter's wishes into account, but I don't see why the fact that it involves abortion makes it any different than had it involved any other medical procedure.
 
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JayDubya said:
No, savagely killing an innocent human being in cold blood is not "the right thing." Allowing it is barbarism. Promoting it as you have is barbarism.
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I think allowing a child to birth a child is barbarism. So I guess two people couldn't possibly hold more opposite views.

The risks and dangers aren't for YOUTH to undergo.

This is another example of people wanting a baby to matter more than a living child. If she was younger would it matter to you? At what point is it unwise to be pregnant and give birth? 12? 11? 10? 9? 8?

Disgusting.
 
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Yes, I did notice that you have an opposite view, as evil is the opposite of good.

Yes, your view is disgusting.
 
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Aunt Spiker said:
I think allowing a child to birth a child is barbarism. So I guess two people couldn't possibly hold more opposite views.

The risks and dangers aren't for YOUTH to undergo.

This is another example of people wanting a baby to matter more than a living child. If she was younger would it matter to you? At what point is it unwise to be pregnant and give birth? 12? 11? 10? 9? 8?

Disgusting.
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Do you honestly expect any other type of argument?
 
Re: What penalty should the forced abortionists (including the conspirators) receive?

What is this "allow" business?

You don't "allow" a birth - that's what pregnancy is, that's what ****ing happens.

What the kid was allowed to do was to have sex at a very young age, obviously, and that's a product of poor supervision, poor guidance. What the parents did instead was to react to their mistakes as parents by becoming abject failures as human beings.

"Oops, now lets kill our grandkid." You call that "the right thing to do."

Newsflash: thirteen year olds can give birth. It happens. Your morality appears to hinge on the delusion that teen pregnancy is a death sentence.
 
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JayDubya said:
What is this "allow" business?

You don't "allow" a birth - that's what pregnancy is, that's what ****ing happens.

What the kid was allowed to do was to have sex at a very young age, obviously, and that's a product of poor supervision, poor guidance. What the parents did instead was to react to their mistakes as parents by becoming abject failures as human beings.

"Oops, now lets kill our grandkid." You call that "the right thing to do."

Newsflash: thirteen year olds can give birth. It happens. Your morality appears to hinge on the delusion that teen pregnancy is a death sentence.
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Yeah sure - whatever - you're all for children having children as the baby's more important. Removable's right - I don't know why I expected something else.

I support the parents - I would do the same.
 
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Aunt Spiker said:
Yeah sure - whatever - you're all for children having children as the baby's more important. Removable's right - I don't know why I expected something else.

I support the parents - I would do the same.
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All for? No, I'm not for bad parenting or kids too young to provide for their potential offspring having sex. I'm not for that at all.

You support selfishly destructive scumbags that don't belong in society at large anymore.

In this country you wouldn't be allowed to do the same, though it is noted that you share the moral compass of those sociopaths.
 
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Removable Mind said:
Do you honestly expect any other type of argument?
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It surely would be refreshing because idiocy and ignorance can only be amusing for so long.
What is more troubling is that some people actually believe that their position is the correct one even though it is absent of anything scientific, rational, logical or intelligent. Why their hysteria is so convincing to them is beyond me, but then again regarding a single cell as the moral equivalent of a functioning human being does take a special and perverted view of reality.
 
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prometeus said:
It surely would be refreshing because idiocy and ignorance can only be amusing for so long.
What is more troubling is that some people actually believe that their position is the correct one even though it is absent of anything scientific, rational, logical or intelligent. Why their hysteria is so convincing to them is beyond me, but then again regarding a single cell as the moral equivalent of a functioning human being does take a special and perverted view of reality.
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Let's not forget that we are a nation of laws, which people have the right to weigh and decide for themselves what laws that allow certain social behaviors don't fit their personal moral constitution or beliefs. While they may disagree, they are also not forced to not engage in such behaviors.
 
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Removable Mind said:
While they may disagree, they are also not forced to not engage in such behaviors.
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Is your attention span really that short?
 
Re: What penalty should the forced abortionists (including the conspirators) receive?

Paleocon said:
Is your attention span really that short?
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Uh huh...and so? You don't like a nation ruled by laws?
 
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