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Should women be required to look at an ultrasound before getting an abortion? [W:44]

Should women be required to look at an ultrasound before getting an abortion?

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jamesrage said:
If they do not want their kids then either the state or a nice married couple can take care of those kids.
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I am not a broodmare for the barren. I will never, EVER put my body through the trauma of gestation and childbirth just to hand the child over to others to raise. If I can't or won't raise it, I will abort.
 
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Scrabaholic said:
I have no idea what Tapatalk is but I was wrong anyway, she apparently spends some of her time in the States. I apologise.
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It's an app for iPhone and Droid for browsing discussion forums. Sadly even the latest version of it leaves much to be desired.
 
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Scrabaholic said:
I disagree with this. No born person has the right to use another's body for life support against their will, therefore no unborn person (if zefs were to be declared to be persons) should have that right.
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I think a better way would be that no entity regardless of what species it is has no right to be in the body of another entity. Rather it be a hookworm that I put in my body purposely or something else we can go to the doctor and have them killed and removed
 
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jamesrage said:
Nearly 44% of those who had an abortion are repeat customers,so the idea of these people using the best practices is absurd. 54% of women who claimed to have used birth control, 76% of those inconsistently used birth control.So it is also absurd to believe that those people were using the best practices. While the rest consistently used either a condom or birth control. Again those women are not using the best practices.

Facts About Abortion: U.S. Abortion Statistics
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Yes, I'm aware of all those things. But what about the women who did use contraception correctly and still had an unwanted pregnancy? There's millions of them. Literally millions.

And whose fault is it so few people actually know how to use contraception correctly? As someone who survived lie-based abstinence-only "sex ed" that basically said contraception doesn't work and sex is evil, I think people like you have a lot of audacity maligning such women for having faulty beliefs that people like you supported teaching them. I also can't help but wonder why you never think the man is responsible for anything.

Besides that, think about the female reproductive span. It's about 40 years long. Your average woman will be sexually active through most of that time. Even if she winds up having 2 abortions, that means she had 2 contraceptive failures in a span of 40 years, with probably THOUSANDS of potential opportunities for contraceptive failure. In reality, 2 abortions ain't much, in light of that. Most women do have one or more accidental pregnancies in their lifetime (including those that don't abort, or may actually want it even if it's a "surprise").

Frankly, it's amazing we can get accidental pregnancy so low that even a minority of women won't experience it.

If they do not want their kids then either the state or a nice married couple can take care of those kids.
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Yeah, because women should totally be forced to hurt their bodies just because you think she's a slut. And to hell with what happens to the kid.
 
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SmokeAndMirrors said:
Yes, I'm aware of all those things. But what about the women who did use contraception correctly and still had an unwanted pregnancy? There's millions of them. Literally millions.
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Those women are not literally millions.We have a little over a million abortions a year in this country,so the only way those women equal millions is if its during the course of abortion being legal in this country.


And whose fault is it so few people actually know how to use contraception correctly? As someone who survived lie-based abstinence-only "sex ed" that basically said contraception doesn't work and sex is evil, I think people like you have a lot of audacity maligning such women for having faulty beliefs that people like you supported teaching them.
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I do not know what sex ed classes you been to but I live in the bible belt and my state does teach about STD,pregnancies,birth control and how to properly use birth control.
I also can't help but wonder why you never think the man is responsible for anything.
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I never said a man wasn't responsible for anything.In this country the father pays child support.

Yeah, because women should totally be forced to hurt their bodies just because you think she's a slut.
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Again if she was that worried about getting pregnant she can take birth control pills, use spermicide and tell the man she is having sex with to wear a condom.

And to hell with what happens to the kid.
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I never said to hell with what happens to the kid.I said either the state or a nice loving married couple can take care of the kid.
 
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jamesrage said:
Those women are not literally millions.We have a little over a million abortions a year in this country,so the only way those women equal millions is if its during the course of abortion being legal in this country.
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You do know women who have abortions keep existing after the year they had the abortion, right? So, yes, there are millions of them.

I do not know what sex ed classes you been to but I live in the bible belt and my state does teach about STD,pregnancies,birth control and how to properly use birth control.
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Public school in 2005.

Again if she was that worried about getting pregnant she can take birth control pills, use spermicide and tell the man she is having sex with to wear a condom.
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And if it fails? She should just be forced to let her body be used, damage herself, and put herself at risk?

I never said to hell with what happens to the kid.I said either the state or a nice loving married couple can take care of the kid.
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Yes, because the state has such a good history of knowing which ones are "loving," don't they.
 
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SmokeAndMirrors said:
You do know women who have abortions keep existing after the year they had the abortion, right? So, yes, there are millions of them.
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Which is why I said ",so the only way those women equal millions is if its during the course of abortion being legal in this country."
Public school in 2005.
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I was in middle school through highschool from 1990-1996 in Oklahoma.We did not have abstinence only or birth control is evil classes.

And if it fails? She should just be forced to let her body be used, damage herself, and put herself at risk?
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Those people are a statistical anomaly.The huge vast majority of those who have abortions did not use a combination of birth control pills, spermicide and require their male sex partner to wear a condom.
Yes, because the state has such a good history of knowing which ones are "loving," don't they.
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THere is over 1.5 million adopted children in the US are you saying that most of them have ****ty homes?
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jamesrage said:
Its the same tactic the gun control/anti-gun crowd,anti-smoking groups and many other groups have been using for decades. A baby step here and baby step there.
It has nothing to do with forcing women to gestate against their wills.It has everything to do with making you sure women are not allowed to needlessly take the life on an innocent child. Seeing how on demand late term abortions are banned in many states and countries I would say the pro-life crowd is winning.
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An embryo has no life - the only life involved is that of the woman. We know this because, if a pregnant woman dies before the embryo has developed into a fetus with viability, the embryo automatically, instantaneously dies and can't be saved, not with all the help of contemporary medicine. If the embryo had life without being biologically attached to a live woman's body, this would not happen except in very rare cases, but in fact, it always happens.

So it doesn't really matter whether "the pro-life crowd is winning," because its belief that the embryo has a life to take is objectively false. That means that liars are winning in their belief in lies. It has nothing to do with truth. In truth, the anti-abortion people don't even exist.
 
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choiceone said:
An embryo has no life
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Completely false and ignorant of objective scientific reality.

A non-living embryo does not age and grow. You don't understand the most basic concepts of biology.
 
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JayDubya said:
Completely false and ignorant of objective scientific reality.

A non-living embryo does not age and grow. You don't understand the most basic concepts of biology.
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Is a cancerous tumour a living thing? It may age and grow, of course that means it often kills its host but then embryos have been known to do that also.
 
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Somerville said:
Is a cancerous tumour a living thing? It may age and grow, of course that means it often kills its host but then embryos have been known to do that also.
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wow...comparing a living growing human fetus to a cancerous tumour........ just wow
 
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Somerville said:
Is a cancerous tumour a living thing?
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Cancer is comprised of living cells - your own living cells, run amok.

However, your tumor is not its own organism anymore than the type of cells that comprised it before they went off the rails were their own organism - which is to say, not at all.

This comparison has never made sense. At this point I find it more intellectually lazy than disturbing.
 
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JayDubya said:
Cancer is comprised of living cells - your own living cells, run amok.

However, your tumor is not its own organism anymore than the type of cells that comprised it before they went off the rails were their own organism - which is to say, not at all.

This comparison has never made sense. At this point I find it more intellectually lazy than disturbing.
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You label yourself "Libertarian", but you seem to be advocating governmental interference in personal medical decisions - WHY?
 
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Somerville said:
You label yourself "Libertarian", but you seem to be advocating governmental interference in personal medical decisions - WHY?
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Hiring a hit man is NOT a "personal medical decision."
 
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JayDubya said:
Hiring a hit man is NOT a "personal medical decision."
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nobody is talking about hiring hitmen

abortionist are not factually hitmen
Hitman - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
1.): a professional assassin who works for a crime syndicate
2.): hatchet man
hitman: definition of hitman in Oxford dictionary (British & World English)
a person who is paid to kill someone, especially for a criminal or political organization.
hitman noun - definition in the British English Dictionary & Thesaurus - Cambridge Dictionaries Online
a man who is paid to murder someone
American Heritage Dictionary Entry: hit man
1. A man hired by a crime syndicate as a professional killer.
2. A hatchet man.

facts destroy your dishonesty and lies again, you should try using less hyperbolic, biased, partisan, inane misinformation
 
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JayDubya said:
Hiring a hit man is NOT a "personal medical decision."
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Hitman clearly implies murder. Are we going down this path again?
 
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year2late said:
Hitman clearly implies murder. Are we going down this path again?
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Hitman just means a hired killer.
 
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Somerville said:
You label yourself "Libertarian", but you seem to be advocating governmental interference in personal medical decisions - WHY?
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But you agree your analogy was totally off, right?
 
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OscarB63 said:
wow...comparing a living growing human fetus to a cancerous tumour........ just wow
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People do that kind of thing all the time around here.
 
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Henrin said:
Hitman just means a hired killer.
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In what world do you live in that a hitman does not commit murder?
 
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year2late said:
In what world do you live in that a hitman does not commit murder?
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A hitman does not have to commit murder. A hitman is just a person who is paid to kill someone else for a certain sum of money.
 
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Henrin said:
A hitman does not have to commit murder. A hitman is just a person who is paid to kill someone else for a certain sum of money.
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so again nothing like an abortionist, got it
 
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AGENT J said:
so again nothing like an abortionist, got it
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The last time I checked they are hired and they are paid for their services. :shrug:
 
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Xsnake1 said:
Should women be required to look at an ultrasound before getting an abortion?
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Only if the state pays for both the ultra sound and the abortion.
 
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Henrin said:
The last time I checked they are hired and they are paid for their services. :shrug:
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yep and what are their factual services? remind me again?

abortionist are not factually hitmen
Hitman - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
1.): a professional assassin who works for a crime syndicate
2.): hatchet man
hitman: definition of hitman in Oxford dictionary (British & World English)
a person who is paid to kill someone, especially for a criminal or political organization.
hitman noun - definition in the British English Dictionary & Thesaurus - Cambridge Dictionaries Online
a man who is paid to murder someone
American Heritage Dictionary Entry: hit man
1. A man hired by a crime syndicate as a professional killer.
2. A hatchet man.

ice cream man are paid for their services too, guess what they arent hitmen either
 
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