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The $$ Costs if all abortions stopped

ksu_aviator said:
If a fertile couple has sex regularly (once a week or more), while using "the pill" and condoms congruently, they will get pregnant in a five year time span. Not, there is a good chance. Not, they might get pregnant. Using a condom and the pill at the same time WILL GET YOU PREGNANT AT SOME POINT OVER FIVE YEARS. Most people think that isn't true. But the reality is, a 99% effective rate over 100 times gets you pregnant 1 every 100 times. Once a week for 5 years gives you 260 chances and more than likely 2 pregnancies, 1 for sure.

That means, women, if you don't want to have a baby, hook your man up with a nice BJ or HJ. He'll thank you for it.
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Actually this is not true for all couples. For example, my sister and brother-in-law had a lot of trouble getting my sister pregnant. She had used bc pills for years, but when they tried for a pregnancy, it turned out that his particular sperm were being killed by the naturally high acidic environment in her. If he had tried with another woman or she with another man, things might have turned out differently. My sister was really annoyed to find that she need not have used any contraception all those years.


ksu_aviator said:
Born or not, we have an inherent right to life and our founding fathers articulated that that right at begins at creation, not birth.
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You are merely assuming that they considered creation to refer to conception and not birth. As far as I'm concerned, conception is not creation with regard to children any more than it is with regard to writing or painting. When the painter makes a first brush stroke with an idea in mind, that is not a completed painting; when a writer has produced an outline and the first paragraph, that is not a completed novel. When there is a zygote but there has been no histogenesis or organogenesis, how is that a completed child?
 
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choiceone said:
Actually this is not true for all couples. For example, my sister and brother-in-law had a lot of trouble getting my sister pregnant. She had used bc pills for years, but when they tried for a pregnancy, it turned out that his particular sperm were being killed by the naturally high acidic environment in her. If he had tried with another woman or she with another man, things might have turned out differently. My sister was really annoyed to find that she need not have used any contraception all those years.
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Obviously there are exceptions. My point wasn't that everyone is fertile, it was that 99% effective isn't a guarantee.

You are merely assuming that they considered creation to refer to conception and not birth. As far as I'm concerned, conception is not creation with regard to children any more than it is with regard to writing or painting. When the painter makes a first brush stroke with an idea in mind, that is not a completed painting; when a writer has produced an outline and the first paragraph, that is not a completed novel. When there is a zygote but there has been no histogenesis or organogenesis, how is that a completed child?
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Well, if we extend that the brain isn't fully developed until as late as 25. The bar isn't set at completed, the bar is set at alive.
 
choiceone said:
Correction. No one wants pro-choice men or pro-choice women to have these problems. You forgot to use "anti-choice" as an adjective.
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Yes, I realize it's only pro-life people. However, that doesn't excuse wanting harm to come to people. You might believe they are trying to control you, but it doesn't assist your cause by making yourself look like a vile piece of crap. I'm not religious, but I don't think your god would support you wishing rape and death on to other people. Then again, the bible is kind of ****ed up.
 
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Libertas-Mors said:
Tumors are abnormal growths of body tissue that already exists. A tumor is not an entity that is rapidly moving towards consciousness, nor is it a 'potential' person.
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Irrelevant. If you bring up the 'she brought it on' argument, then you should be for other situations to be treated the same.
 
joko104 said:
Like at a car dealership, "Sure, that's a BEAUTIFUL MERCEDES! But lets talk dollars and cents..."
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Thread should be titled: "The $$$ cost of unwanted pregnancy and the economic harm unmarried sex causes."
 
Henrin said:
I know women will put their fangs into people when they do them wrong, but holy ****, this crap is ridulous. We have women wanting pro life women to be raped, we have women that want them to be pregnant as often as humanly possible, we have women that want them to die in child birth, and it just goes on and on and on. I'm just a bit speechless from all this I have learned over the past few weeks.

:damn
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I don't know why you are replying to my reply to someone saying that he doesn't understand why prochoice women are aggressive to prolife women. This has nothing to do with my post, and I have never, EVER said anyone should be raped etc.
 
Jerry said:
Thread should be titled: "The $$$ cost of unwanted pregnancy and the economic harm unmarried sex causes."
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Or "How pro-life plans to destroy the financial and social structure of the United States."

If the religious rightwing, which totally controls the pro-life movement, gets it's way it will leave people no choice but to swing increasingly to socialism. Therre will be no other manner for increasing numbers of young, uneducated and unemployed Americans to survive, combined with large numbers of unemployed young people always destablizes an economy and country.
 
joko104 said:
Or "How pro-life plans to destroy the financial and social structure of the United States."

If the religious rightwing, which totally controls the pro-life movement, gets it's way it will leave people no choice but to swing increasingly to socialism. Therre will be no other manner for increasing numbers of young, uneducated and unemployed Americans to survive, combined with large numbers of unemployed young people always destablizes an economy and country.
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Then stop making all those people.

Just...stop it.

It doesn't cost anything to not have sex. You just go do something else. It actually is that easy.
 
ksu_aviator said:
LMAO...you have to be kidding.
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In other words, I am right. Got it.


1. It is sexist to believe that only women can be the determiners of rights for children.
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Not when said 'children' are in the bodies of women only, potentially putting their life at risk, causing harm to them for years to come, stretching their bodies all out of proportion, causing imense pain in childbirth etc.



[quote3. 99% of abortions are not for rape and incest. So, unless the woman falls into that 1%, she probably had sex willingly and (unless she's totally retarded) she knew that could result in pregnancy. Which means she can't possibly be pregnant against her will. She may not like it, but her decisions led to her circumstances. [/quote]


I never said anything about pregnant, I said forced to gestate. If one is pregnant and the right to terminate the pregnancy via abortion is removed, then she is forced by law to gestate. Fact.


So, now that we've obliterated the idea that a uterus has anything to do with rights and that she would be forced to be pregnant, what other excuse do you have for killing children out of convenience?
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No, it has not been obliterated.

I have never advocated killing children out of convenience. Now, regarding a woman terminating a pregnancy, no excuses are needed. It's her body that is being impacted, her right and her choice.
 
Scrabaholic said:
I don't know why you are replying to my reply to someone saying that he doesn't understand why prochoice women are aggressive to prolife women.
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That was me. :cool:

This has nothing to do with my post, and I have never, EVER said anyone should be raped etc.
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This is what you said..

you said:
Then you believe women should be forced by law to gestate against their will, and I would vote for you having to host as many zefs as possible should embryonic or fetal transplant ever become possible.
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Your post represents the same kind of morally bankrupt garbage that other women have put out there like wishing rape on people, wanting people to be made pregnant by force as often as possible, wanting them to die in child birth, etc. The worst argument I have ever seen from a pro-choice woman is saying that pro-life women should give birth to deformed babies and watch them die in front of them. I don't understand how people can be so goddamn evil.

You want to know exactly why I consider myself simply anti-abortion? It's not simply because I think unborn children have rights nor is it because I think this should be dealt with culturally, but because of the vile ****ing bull**** that pro-choice people say. It's always something extremely ****ing vile and this crap about wishing harm to others takes the damn cake.
 
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Henrin said:
So on this forum alone that is..

Three women that wish rape onto pro-lifers male or female.
Three women that want people to be made pregnant as often as possible
Two women that want men to be made pregnant and have it done to them repeatedly.
Two women that want women to die in child birth
One that wants men to die in child birth.

:damn
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Exactly who are these people?
 
Henrin said:
Yes, I realize it's only pro-life people. However, that doesn't excuse wanting harm to come to people. You might believe they are trying to control you, but it doesn't assist your cause by making yourself look like a vile piece of crap. I'm not religious, but I don't think your god would support you wishing rape and death on to other people. Then again, the bible is kind of ****ed up.
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Wanting women to be forced to gestate against their will is wishing harm on them, so you are not any better than those you accuse.
 
Henrin said:
This is what you said..
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Context, mon ami ....context - IF abortion was ever put to a vote and made illegal.



Your post represents the same kind of morally bankrupt garbage that other women have put out there like wishing rape on people, wanting people to be made pregnant by force as often as possible, wanting them to die in child birth, etc. The worst argument I have ever seen from a pro-choice woman is saying that pro-life women should give birth to deformed babies and watch them die in front of them. I don't understand how people can be so goddamn evil.
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I don't understand why people feel a need to use potty mouth. I have never,EVER wished anyone to give birth to deformed babies, die in childbirth etc. So, leave me out of it.


You want to know exactly why I consider myself simply anti-abortion? It's not simply because I think unborn children have rights nor is it because I think this should be dealt with culturally, but because of the vile ****ing bull**** that pro-choice people say. It's always something extremely ****ing vile and this crap about wishing harm to others takes the damn cake.
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What a crappy reason to be abortion! And if you want women to be forced to gestate against their will, you ARE wishing harm on them so you are no better than those you accuse.

If you are going to reply to me, please do it without the nasty language. Thank you.
 
Henrin said:
So on this forum alone that is..

Three women that wish rape onto pro-lifers male or female.
Three women that want people to be made pregnant as often as possible
Two women that want men to be made pregnant and have it done to them repeatedly.
Two women that want women to die in child birth
One that wants men to die in child birth.

:damn
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Agreed. This behavior is blatant and unacceptable.

The poster in question should be removed, period. Enough is enough.

I feel like I need a shower after reading this thread; so wretched, so scummy. We even have someone threatening to suicide bomb people.
 
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choiceone said:
Correction. No one wants pro-choice men or pro-choice women to have these problems. You forgot to use "anti-choice" as an adjective.
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Why bother angrily wishing harm on a group that doesn't exist?

Also, instead of posting actual words, next time, I'd recommend you save some keystrokes and just say some combination of "herp," "derp," "herpaderp," and "HURRR DURRRR."

It would be equally as effective at communicating your point as the post above was. Thanks.
 
Scrabaholic said:
Context, mon ami ....context - IF abortion was ever put to a vote and made illegal.
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Context? You are bitching about context, seriously? You and these other women are showing exactly what is wrong with the pro-choice movement and showing once again just how inhuman you really are. It wasn't enough to deny humanity to your unborn children, so some women went after born children and killed them too, and some decided why not wish rape and death on to pro-life men and women while we are at it. It's disgusting inhuman filth. You want to know why people like yourself argue morals are subjective? Because if you didn't there would be no other possible way to somehow gain the higher ground. That isn't even the worst of it though. The shear nonsense that this is about choice disgusting me. The choice to kill your own children ? Yes, what a choice. Oh right, its not a child, and not human, and don't even say its a human being because after all its just a part of the woman. The argument you ladies and gentlemen put out is disgusting and vile on all front and what is worse is you hide behind this nonsense that somehow killing your own children is a choice because after all how ****ing evil would I have to be to disagree with choice? You know, I could stand beside you if you were against abortion and actually argued against it while not wanting it illegal, and then at least we would get somewhere with dismantling the cultural acceptance of the practice and actually lower abortion rates, but no, you ladies have to side with choice and that the unborn is not even a goddamn human being. You know, there is something to be said about this stance and its not anywhere near good.


I don't understand why people feel a need to use potty mouth. I have never,EVER wished anyone to give birth to deformed babies, die in childbirth etc. So, leave me out of it.
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Great, but other ladies did.

What a crappy reason to be abortion! And if you want women to be forced to gestate against their will, you ARE wishing harm on them so you are no better than those you accuse.
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Don't even go there with me. I'm for fighting the problem with dismantling cultural acceptance of the practice.
 
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Scrabaholic said:
Exactly who are these people?
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Sorry, but I can not give you that information as it might break forum rules considering where it was said. The most I can actually offer is Medusa.
 
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Scrabaholic said:
In other words, I am right. Got it.
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Hardly. I just can't believe that is the line you want to take...makes my job easier.

Not when said 'children' are in the bodies of women only, potentially putting their life at risk, causing harm to them for years to come, stretching their bodies all out of proportion, causing imense pain in childbirth etc.
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The death rate for legal abortions is higher among women than full term pregnancies.

But, let's not forget, this is a consequence of their own actions. They generally aren't forced to have sex.

I never said anything about pregnant, I said forced to gestate. If one is pregnant and the right to terminate the pregnancy via abortion is removed, then she is forced by law to gestate. Fact.
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Fact: She was not forced to be pregnant.

No, it has not been obliterated.

I have never advocated killing children out of convenience. Now, regarding a woman terminating a pregnancy, no excuses are needed. It's her body that is being impacted, her right and her choice.
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If the abortion isn't for rape or to save the mother's life then it is out of convenience.
 
Henrin said:
Yes, I realize it's only pro-life people. However, that doesn't excuse wanting harm to come to people. You might believe they are trying to control you, but it doesn't assist your cause by making yourself look like a vile piece of crap. I'm not religious, but I don't think your god would support you wishing rape and death on to other people. Then again, the bible is kind of ****ed up.
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All I wish is that anti-choice people would learn to stop trying to use the physical force that underpins the enforcement of law to control the bodies of other people who are not in any way doing harm to anything outside their own bodies which are their property. But it has become clear to me that anti-choice people are not like the rest of us, that they cannot be persuaded by reasoned explanation, but, because of their incredibly limited capacity for imagination and empathy, need to have negative bodily experiences themselves in order to realize why it is wrong to impose negative bodily experiences on other individual minds by force.
 
Jerry said:
Then stop making all those people.

Just...stop it.

It doesn't cost anything to not have sex. You just go do something else. It actually is that easy.
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I don't think it's that easy for everyone, since IQ and the ability to reason and follow directions carefully have something to do with it, but I do like your sentiment.
 
Scrabaholic said:
I never said anything about pregnant, I said forced to gestate. If one is pregnant and the right to terminate the pregnancy via abortion is removed, then she is forced by law to gestate. Fact.
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You have brilliantly stated the case. Thank you.
 
choiceone said:
I don't think it's that easy for everyone, since IQ and the ability to reason and follow directions carefully have something to do with it, but I do like your sentiment.
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I mean...you know... regardless of our opinions on abortion, we all shake hands and agree that unintended pregnancy is something to avoid.
 
Jerry said:
I mean...you know... regardless of our opinions on abortion, we all shake hands and agree that unintended pregnancy is something to avoid.
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Totally. :peace
 
ksu_aviator said:
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If the abortion isn't for rape or to save the mother's life then it is out of convenience.
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Wrong ...there is also the health of the woman to consider and and " little " thing called irreparable damage to major bodily function.

About 8 percent of all pregnancies result in preeclampsia, eclampsia or variant of those like HELLP syndrome which are life threatening.

One never knows when a pregnancy will become life threatening to a loved one.

My daughter had HELLP syndrome with her pregnancy and almost died. Thankfully she did not die but she was one the 75,000 United States women who have near misses with major health effects from it every year.
 
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