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It seems as though the abortion forums really could use a place for this type of information, so I decided to create one.
If we are all having these discussions in pursuit of truth and understanding, then nobody should say "it's in these forums, look it up",
when there are currently 488 threads. If you assume an average of 10 pages per thread (a very conservative estimate), at 10 posts
per page (this appears to be the default for DP), you are basically asking people to wade through 48,800 posts to find your one obscure
reference.

While I have no say in the decorum, I believe it would be best if we could keep to some base rules for this thread;

  1. Only provide Statistics, Studies, or Reports when posting.
  2. Refrain from debating and/or trying to debunk posted statistics.
  3. Include a general synopsis of posted link, where and when available.
  4. If you want an information source debated, create a new thread to do so.
  5. Where possible, try to limit to 1 informational source and summary per post.


I am hopeful that fellow DP'ers can appreciate my reasoning for the base rules. I only hope to curb the childish counter-points that begin by
telling someone to dig through at least 48 thousand posts in search of an answer, and to ensure this thread remains as clean as it should to
be useful for everyone. This would benefit all, pro-choice and pro-life alike.

This would also serve as a single point of reference for scientific information that all forum participants can link to in their own posts in other
threads.

Thank You.
 
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Kr1ll1n said:
It seems as though the abortion forums really could use a place for this type of information, so I decided to create one.
If we are all having these discussions in pursuit of truth and understanding, then nobody should say "it's in these forums, look it up",
when there are currently 488 threads. If you assume an average of 10 pages per thread (a very conservative estimate), at 10 posts
per page (this appears to be the default for DP), you are basically asking people to wade through 48,800 posts to find your one obscure
reference.

While I have no say in the decorum, I believe it would be best if we could keep to some base rules for this thread;

  1. Only provide Statistics, Studies, or Reports when posting.
  2. Refrain from debating and/or trying to debunk posted statistics.
  3. Include a general synopsis of posted link, where and when available.
  4. If you want an information source debated, create a new thread to do so.


I am hopeful that fellow DP'ers can appreciate my reasoning for the base rules. I only hope to curb the childish counter-points that begin by
telling someone to dig through at least 48 thousand posts in search of an answer, and to ensure this thread remains as clean as it should to
be useful for everyone. This would benefit all, pro-choice and pro-life alike.

This would also serve as a single point of reference for scientific information that all forum participants can link to in their own posts in other
threads.

Thank You.
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Good luck with that.
 
Johnstons Archive - Abortion Reasons

Summary:
This report reviews available statistics regarding reasons given for obtaining abortions in the United States, including surveys by the Alan Guttmacher Institute and data from seven state health/statistics agencies that report relevant statistics (Arizona, Florida, Louisiana, Minnesota, Nebraska, South Dakota, and Utah). The official data imply that AGI claims regarding "hard case" abortions are inflated by roughly a factor of three. Actual percentage of U.S. abortions in "hard cases" are estimated as follows: in cases of rape, 0.3%; in cases of incest, 0.03%; in cases of risk to maternal life, 0.1%; in cases of risk to maternal health, 1%; and in cases of fetal health issues, 0.5%. About 98% of abortions in the United States are elective, including socio-economic reasons or for birth control. This includes perhaps 30% for primarily economic reasons.
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Statistics, Studies and Reports are all suspect unless you have access to the raw data, and knowlege of those who conducted the surveys, and whether they did so with an agenda in mind.

As Churchill said, "there are lies, damned lies, and then there are statistics". Stats and studies can be manipulated in various ways to produce results approximating what those initiated the study wanted to produce.

Slanted/biased questions as in "push polling"... study group selection criteria and group size and other demographic issues... extrapolations and interpretations...

Even "academic" and scientific sources can sometimes be suspect. Academics and scientists are as subject to peer pressure and funding worries as anyone, and if their "study" produces results that their peers and funding supporters don't like, they could find themselves out of a job and uninvited to the Faculty party. :)


I'm not saying studies, stats and whatnot are useless, far from it... just that they aren't the be-all end-all of an argument.
 
Immediate complications after medical compared with surgical termination of pregnancy

OBJECTIVE:
To estimate the immediate adverse events and safety of medical compared with surgical abortion using high-quality registry data.

METHODS:
All women in Finland undergoing induced abortion from 2000-2006 with a gestational duration of 63 days or less (n=42,619) were followed up until 42 days postabortion using national health registries. The incidence and risk factors of adverse events after medical (n=22,368) and surgical (n=20,251) abortion were compared. Univariable and multivariable association models were used to analyze the risk of the three main complications (hemorrhage, infection, and incomplete abortion) and surgical (re)evacuation.
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Women are now far more promiscuous than men, says shock new study | Mail Online
By the age of 21 they have had sex with an average of nine lovers - two more than their male partner.
And a quarter have slept with more than ten partners in the five years since losing their virginity - compared with a fifth of young men.
Young women are also twice as likely to be unfaithful, with 50 per cent admitting they have cheated on a partner - half at least twice.
Yet if their man was caught being unfaithful, 99 per cent of the 2,000 women surveyed said they would show him the door.
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The comparative safety of legal induced abortion and childbirth in the United States
OBJECTIVE:
To assess the safety of abortion compared with childbirth.

METHODS:
We estimated mortality rates associated with live births and legal induced abortions in the United States in 1998-2005. We used data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's Pregnancy Mortality Surveillance System, birth certificates, and Guttmacher Institute surveys. In addition, we searched for population-based data comparing the morbidity of abortion and childbirth.
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Kr1ll1n said:
It seems as though the abortion forums really could use a place for this type of information, so I decided to create one.
If we are all having these discussions in pursuit of truth and understanding, then nobody should say "it's in these forums, look it up",
when there are currently 488 threads. If you assume an average of 10 pages per thread (a very conservative estimate), at 10 posts
per page (this appears to be the default for DP), you are basically asking people to wade through 48,800 posts to find your one obscure
reference.

While I have no say in the decorum, I believe it would be best if we could keep to some base rules for this thread;

  1. Only provide Statistics, Studies, or Reports when posting.
  2. Refrain from debating and/or trying to debunk posted statistics.
  3. Include a general synopsis of posted link, where and when available.
  4. If you want an information source debated, create a new thread to do so.
  5. Where possible, try to limit to 1 informational source and summary per post.


I am hopeful that fellow DP'ers can appreciate my reasoning for the base rules. I only hope to curb the childish counter-points that begin by
telling someone to dig through at least 48 thousand posts in search of an answer, and to ensure this thread remains as clean as it should to
be useful for everyone. This would benefit all, pro-choice and pro-life alike.

This would also serve as a single point of reference for scientific information that all forum participants can link to in their own posts in other
threads.

Thank You.
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not a bad idea but the issues is you have already proven you do not understand stats :shrug:
 
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