Thread: Abortion Statistics and Thoughts [W:59]

Originally Posted by OKgrannie

Women are more capable of deciding if a particular action is a forward movement or a backward movement for themselves. Lack of choice can hardly be considered a forward movement.

Exactly.
Making abortions illegal will NOT stop abortions from happening and will not even really lower the numbers of abortions by much.
What will happen is it will punish , and possibily harm or kill the woman who can not afford to go to another country where abortions are legal.
They will either try to self abort or will seek an illegal abortion.

So, it's back to Abortion Talking Points 101? Guess I had my fun. It's not like I expected anyone to see the perspective.

Originally Posted by ecofarm

I don't know how to answer the first part, that's just hysterical emotional stuff.

As to how I "resulting in showing" women, I think you haven't an intellectual grasp of what I'm saying. Considering that the gender department (including esteemed profs) at UF considers me a feminist (my phd specialization is gender), I really haven't any need for your ignorant evaluation of my position. See sig: ecofeminism.

How you "result in showing women"? I never responded to you, at least not on this particular topic.
Why exactly are you responding to me, and in the 1st person as if I was? This would seem to imply that you are either choiceone, or minnie616 under a different account.

Ok, that's a fair point. I confused the two alphanumerics. I thought you were minnie.

Originally Posted by ecofarm

Ok, that's a fair point. I confused the two alphanumerics. I thought you were minnie.

No big deal, it seemed pretty odd, and I wanted to ensure that I wasn't about to get worked up over nothing.

Originally Posted by Dittohead not!

Much more capable than the government is, which is why the decision should rest with the woman involved.

Of course, if the man involved is close to her, then she will seek his advice, just as she would on any other big decision. If not, then he's not a part of the equation.

but the government needs to stay out of personal decisions.

Much more capable than the government is, which is why the decision should rest with the woman involved.
Of course, if the man involved is close to her, then she MAY seek his advice, just as she MAY on any other big decision. If not, then he's not a part of the equation.
Until she decides to keep the child and wants someone to pay for her mistake, regardless of their input in her choice to keep it.

Fixed that for you.

Originally Posted by Kr1ll1n

Until she decides to keep the child and wants someone, who may not even be the biological father, to pay for her mistake, regardless of their input in her choice to keep it.
Fixed that for you.

For some odd reason, it will not allow me to edit my original post, so here is the clarification\correction.

Originally Posted by Kr1ll1n

For some odd reason, it will not allow me to edit my original post, so here is the clarification\correction.

I really don't think she can make a man who is not the father pay child support.

Originally Posted by Dittohead not!

I really don't think she can make a man who is not the father pay child support.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...ity-usat_x.htm
An acid sense of betrayal has been gnawing at Damon Adams since a DNA test showed that he is not the father of a 10-year-old girl born during his former marriage.

"Something changes in your heart," says Adams, 51, a dentist in Traverse City, Mich. "When she walks through the door, you're seeing the product of an affair."

But Michigan courts have spurned the DNA results Adams offered in his motions to stop paying $23,000 a year in child support. Now, Adams is lobbying the state Legislature for relief and joining other men in a national movement against what they call "paternity fraud."

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/07/15/...child.support/
For 13 years, Hatley made payments to the state until learning, in 2000, that the boy might not be his biological son. A DNA test that year confirmed that there was no chance he was the father, according to court documents.

She cannot directly, but apparently, nothing is stopping her from having the government do it for her......
glennsacks.com | California Governor Davis Preserves and Protects Paternity Fraud

Originally Posted by Kr1ll1n

Much more capable than the government is, which is why the decision should rest with the woman involved.
Of course, if the man involved is close to her, then she MAY seek his advice, just as she MAY on any other big decision. If not, then he's not a part of the equation.
Until she decides to keep the child and wants someone to pay for her mistake, regardless of their input in her choice to keep it.

Fixed that for you.

HER mistake?? What about HIS mistake in not wrapping his weinie?? If it's not his child and he's not claimed responsibility for it ie in marrying her and supporting it as if it were his child, he won't be made to pay support. Today's DNA testing can tell if he's the father or not, it's not like the 'old' days where testing could only say he isn't the father or he may be the father.