Thread: Prolife answers on Woman's rights VS Murder/person hood/ZEF Rights

Originally Posted by minnie616

It was an insult to anyone who misspells like I do.

My apologies to the OP as this is OFF TOPIC.

I have dyslexia and have trouble with spelling. Every word I know how to spell I had to memorize the spelling of it since I cannot sound out how to spell a word.
My typing is also horrid. I double words sometimes, I will often leave out words because my thoughts are running faster than my typing.
The word I hate leaving out when I am typing is the word NOT because when I leave that word out the entire meaning of the sentence is different.
I try to proofread but often that will not work because if I left out a word my brain will automatically fill that word and I will think it is there.
There are many highly intelligent people who have dyslexia.
I will just post a few of the more famous but you find a much longer list at the link posted below.


Read more: Famous People with the Gift of Dyslexia

You have a reason, O-J doesn't.

Originally Posted by minnie616

It was an insult to anyone who misspells like I do.

My apologies to the OP as this is OFF TOPIC.

I have dyslexia and have trouble with spelling. Every word I know how to spell I had to memorize the spelling of it since I cannot sound out how to spell a word.
My typing is also horrid. I double words sometimes, I will often leave out words because my thoughts are running faster than my typing.
The word I hate leaving out when I am typing is the word NOT because when I leave that word out the entire meaning of the sentence is different.
I try to proofread but often that will not work because if I left out a word my brain will automatically fill that word and I will think it is there.
There are many highly intelligent people who have dyslexia.
I will just post a few of the more famous but you find a much longer list at the link posted below.


Read more: Famous People with the Gift of Dyslexia

don't take it personal, some posters have no other coarse of action when they can't back up their false claims. Nobody takes them seriously.

Originally Posted by minnie616

It was an insult to anyone who misspells like I do.

My apologies to the OP as this is OFF TOPIC.

I have dyslexia and have trouble with spelling. Every word I know how to spell I had to memorize the spelling of it since I cannot sound out how to spell a word.
My typing is also horrid. I double words sometimes, I will often leave out words because my thoughts are running faster than my typing.
The word I hate leaving out when I am typing is the word NOT because when I leave that word out the entire meaning of the sentence is different.
I try to proofread but often that will not work because if I left out a word my brain will automatically fill that word and I will think it is there.
There are many highly intelligent people who have dyslexia.
I will just post a few of the more famous but you find a much longer list at the link posted below.


Read more: Famous People with the Gift of Dyslexia

I understand, and empathize.

I've been slowly losing the sight in my right eye, to the degree now that I can't even tell there are words on the screen with it.

It's reached a point where it adversely affects both my ability to accurately read what is written and to write what I'm thinking, even though my left eye is just fine. I had heard of that happening to people when they lose sight in an eye, but it's very strange to experience it.

So I think "completed" and end up writing "completion", for example, and the same thing can happen when I read, so I often have to read something multiple times to insure I got it.

Add to the fact that my musician-lyricist proclivity causes me to make homonym errors frequently (like "marshal" arts), that I hit bursts of typing speed well over 120 wpm sometimes creating "dyslexic" typos, and that I don't take the time to put everything through a spellchecker (who does?!) ..

.. Well, I just think it's uncalled for that people pick on such absolute nothings.

Now, that being said, if a religious fundamentalist talks about forced nation-forming in Asia and the Middle East and writes "let us prey" in asking God to keep our soldiers safe, yeah, humor being my Achiles Heel, I'm probably going to comment about the slip .. but only good-naturedly and never seriously as an attack on the person, as that's simply uncalled for.

This was actually a pretty good thread reading back through it.

Besides the group of about 4 dishonest trolls that showed up it was fun, then again everybody exposing them was fun too.

It was nice to see some people accept the facts of the OP especially those that are prolife and they admit they dont care about the women losing or having less rights for 9 months it what they feel is right.

Originally Posted by Objective-J

SO since no one ever seems to answer this question I wanted to just make a thread about it.

For those that want abortion to be murder and person hood granted at conception what are your opinions on womens rights.


-do you not accept the fact that this would infringe on current womans rights
-do you not accept the fact that for 9 months the ZEF would have MORE rights that the woman
-you do accept that it would infringe on womans rights but dont care because you think its right
-you do accept that it would give the ZEF MORE rights than the woman but you dont care because you again think its right
- other

and like all 99% of abortion threads Im sure people will try to derail this thread and the nutjobs on both sides will post their nonsense but im hoping to find out at least some info.

Thanks

My answer?

I don't think that this would infringe on a woman's rights.

Originally Posted by RamFel

My answer?

I don't think that this would infringe on a woman's rights.

Well that fact is already proven so you fall in the category that you do not accept the facts. Got it.

Originally Posted by Objective-J

SO since no one ever seems to answer this question I wanted to just make a thread about it.

For those that want abortion to be murder and person hood granted at conception what are your opinions on womens rights.


-do you not accept the fact that this would infringe on current womans rights
-do you not accept the fact that for 9 months the ZEF would have MORE rights that the woman
-you do accept that it would infringe on womans rights but dont care because you think its right
-you do accept that it would give the ZEF MORE rights than the woman but you dont care because you again think its right
- other

and like all 99% of abortion threads Im sure people will try to derail this thread and the nutjobs on both sides will post their nonsense but im hoping to find out at least some info.

Thanks

I see it as a pregnant woman being pregnant. Her "rights" are not infringed or violated. She is pregnant. That is a very natural condition. The ZEF's right to life is not being jeopardized either. It is a developing person. That is a very natural state for humans as well. It is nature. Assigning rights to it is making a very clear issue muddy through the use of semantics.

Originally Posted by Bodhisattva

I see it as a pregnant woman being pregnant. Her "rights" are not infringed or violated. She is pregnant. That is a very natural condition. The ZEF's right to life is not being jeopardized either. It is a developing person. That is a very natural state for humans as well. It is nature. Assigning rights to it is making a very clear issue muddy through the use of semantics.

but factually her rights are infringed theres really no denying that. Of course im talking about if abortion was made murder and personhood was granted at conception.

I agree its a natural condition, one she can change, that choice is taken from her and others would be forced on her

Originally Posted by Objective-J

but factually her rights are infringed theres really no denying that. Of course im talking about if abortion was made murder and personhood was granted at conception.

I agree its a natural condition, one she can change, that choice is taken from her and others would be forced on her

What right is being infringed? Not her life... not her liberty... not her property. Which right?

Originally Posted by Bodhisattva

What right is being infringed? Not her life... not her liberty... not her property. Which right?

actually specifically her life and liberty.

sorry for the long post but its a cut and past from other threads.



while I agree in many ways dont group Jaydubya in with the pro-life crowd, thats unfair. There are normal rational honest logical objective pro-life people he just isnt one of them.

as for the rest of your thread yes I agree with you.

my abortion stances is this and always has been.

the debate for me is about my country and my fellow americans's freedom, laws, rights and liberties. Whats right for "me" doesnt need forced on others and as an american I refuse to be that type of hypocrite.

Just cause I dont like abortion and wish it wasnt needed doesnt mean I should foolishly push it to be outlawed (which would do very little to stop it)

In reality on the abortion front, equal rights is impossible. The women currently has rights and unfortunately the ZEF has very little to none/ BUT the issues is one must have more rights than the other, in reality it doesnt work any other way.

Since those are the only choices of course I obviously side with the already born, viable human being who is also a citizen over the unknown. Because thats what a ZEF is, an unknown, that is not already born viable or a citizen and may not even become one.

If abortion was made illegal and personhood was granted at conception I could never condone the government forcing a women against her will to go through 9 months of pregnancy and then after that forcing her to give birth against her will. Both to these things can physically/mentally harm her and or kill her. To a women who doesnt want to do this, it certainly sounds like government torture to me. Does that come off dramatic? yes it does but in reality is it? what would you call forcing a women to do those things against her will that may kill her and harm her?

Also during those 9 months if she is being forced, her rights, freedoms, liberties and pursuit of happiness are also taken away from her against her will.

work (maybe her job endangers the ZEF or when she takes time off it negatively affects her career)
school (maybe she has to drop out or graduate later or maybe now she cant afford it)
caffeine, nicotine etc
foods
chemicals
sky diving, roller coasters LOL
forms of exercise
tanning
etc etc etc

I know some of this sounds silly but that would be the reality

Every decision she makes will have to be based on whats in the best interest of the ZEF no matter how that impacts her and even if it risks her life.

No thanks, thats not for me and doesnt seem like my country at all!

as far as abortion, family foster reform goes

Im for improved sex education, improved technologies for birth control, improved access and low cost to the better birth control, improved access and better health care for families, orgs like PP.

Id be ok with but wouldnt push for a national cap on when abortions can be done. Maybe like 20wkks but this cap would be a soft cap and each case would be circumstantial.

on another end of it we need serious reform of our foster system. It cant handle the kids it has now, so it be asinine to introduce potential 1million plus more kids into it a year.

It be great to have less abortions but that only comes with whats listed above not law enforcement.

and I know it will sound weird but abortion is actually pretty low percentage wise right now, Id like to see it lower but it is low if compare a million abortions a year to the amount of sex people are actually having.