Why Do You Post In The Abortion Threads?

[Jerry]

Jerry you already know I dont take your post seriously, not because I dont like you and or think you are funny but because you have admitted to me that YOU dont take your post seriously

But if you like PLEASE argue against my "hyperbole"

and do it under that pretenses I mentions. If the law changed and granted personhood at the moment of conception and made abortion murder then tell me why my statements are hyperbole.

make the woman a slave for 9 months (to the zef)
make her a second class citizen for 9 months. (compared to the zef)
put her arguable through 9 months of torture (force he to bare a child and give birth against her will, things that could physically, mentally hamr her and or kill her)

none of these statments are hyperbole they are true based on making abortion legal and granting personhood at conception.

Recycling hyperbole, I see.

[Jerry]

LMAO not even disputable? haha well you are wrong to call it a fact it most certainly is disputable and what you said above is nothing more than subjective opinion.

this is way you always fail

it is not a fact that a zygote is human being, sorry.

it is not.

if you falsely think it is explain to me using the definitions below and explain to me how a zygote is a human being LMAO

heres 3 links to oxford dictionary:

Definition for human - Oxford Dictionaries Online (World English)

human
Pronunciation: /ˈhjuːmən/

Noun:
a human being.

Definition for human being - Oxford Dictionaries Online (World English)

human being
Pronunciation: /hjuːmənˈbiːɪŋ/
noun
a man, woman, or child of the species Homo sapiens, distinguished from other animals by superior mental development, power of articulate speech, and upright stance.

Definition for child - Oxford Dictionaries Online (World English)

child
Pronunciation: /tʃʌɪld/
noun (plural children /ˈtʃɪldr(ə)n/)

a young human being below the age of puberty or below the legal age of majority: she’d been playing tennis since she was a child the film is not suitable for children
a son or daughter of any age: when children leave home, parents can feel somewhat redundant
an immature or irresponsible person: she’s such a child!
a person who has little or no experience in a particular area: he’s a child in financial matters

"Child" 1 and "baby" 1 have pre-birth uses.
A fetus is a "child" 2 and a "baby" 2 is a "child", thus we can call a fetus a "baby" 3.
Legally a "child" 4 is one's natural offspring, which is what a pregnant woman carries.
So, a pregnant woman carries her "child", her "unborn child", her "unborn baby".
This makes her a "parent", specifically, a “mother”.


"Organism" = "a living being".
Human DNA = "human".
"Organism" + Human DNA = "A Human Being".

[Peter King]

"Child" 1 and "baby" 1 have pre-birth uses.
A fetus is a "child" 2 and a "baby" 2 is a "child", thus we can call a fetus a "baby" 3.
Legally a "child" 4 is one's natural offspring, which is what a pregnant woman carries.
So, a pregnant woman carries her "child", her "unborn child", her "unborn baby".
This makes her a "parent", specifically, a “mother”.


"Organism" = "a living being".
Human DNA = "human".
"Organism" + Human DNA = "A Human Being".

Just like you posted this exact definition yesterday, the song remains the same with you and the problem with it also remains.

This definition may include unborn but that is a politically correct view IMHO to please the pro-lifers but it is not a biological or realistic description of a child.

From the website of the University of Washington:

STAGES OF HUMAN DEVELOPMENT

1. Conception

2. Zygote (first through third day).

3. Blastocyst (second day through second week)

a. By the end of the 2nd week, implants itself in uterine wall ("nidation")

4. Embryo (third through eighth week)

a. Occasional primitive heart contractions at 2 weeks;

b. Heart pumps blood and ECG tracing looks normal by 4th to 5th week;

c. Some brain activity by the end of the 6th week;

d. Normal heart functioning after the end of the 7th week.

5. Fetus (9th week until birth)

a. develops fingernails, vocal chords, taste buds, and salivary glands and begins to urinate (3rd month)

b. "quickening" = spontaneous movement, between the 13th and 20th week (3rd, 4th or 5th month).

c. develops hair and eyelashes (5th month)

d. "viability" = fetus can survive outside the mother; occurs at approximately the 24th week.

(By convention, "fetus" is sometimes used generically to refer to all the stages of pregnancy.)

6. Infant (birth until one year)

a. Meltzoff research--rudimentary shape concepts

b. self-motivated activity

7. Child (ages 1 year to 12 years)

a. capacity to communicate

b. presence of self-concepts and self-awareness

c. reasoning (developed capacity to solve new and relatively complex problems)

d. morally responsible

In this chart again, the child stage begins from age 1, not from conception.


Here is Medicinenet's description of childhood

Childhood: (1) The time for a boy or girl from birth until he or she is an adult. (2) The more circumscribed period of time from infancy to the onset of puberty.

[Jerry]

Just like you posted this exact definition yesterday, the song remains the same with you and the problem with it also remains.

This definition may include unborn but that is a politically correct view IMHO to please the pro-lifers but it is not a biological or realistic description of a child.

From the website of the University of Washington:

STAGES OF HUMAN DEVELOPMENT

1. Conception

2. Zygote (first through third day).

3. Blastocyst (second day through second week)

a. By the end of the 2nd week, implants itself in uterine wall ("nidation")

4. Embryo (third through eighth week)

a. Occasional primitive heart contractions at 2 weeks;

b. Heart pumps blood and ECG tracing looks normal by 4th to 5th week;

c. Some brain activity by the end of the 6th week;

d. Normal heart functioning after the end of the 7th week.

5. Fetus (9th week until birth)

a. develops fingernails, vocal chords, taste buds, and salivary glands and begins to urinate (3rd month)

b. "quickening" = spontaneous movement, between the 13th and 20th week (3rd, 4th or 5th month).

c. develops hair and eyelashes (5th month)

d. "viability" = fetus can survive outside the mother; occurs at approximately the 24th week.

(By convention, "fetus" is sometimes used generically to refer to all the stages of pregnancy.)

6. Infant (birth until one year)

a. Meltzoff research--rudimentary shape concepts

b. self-motivated activity

7. Child (ages 1 year to 12 years)

a. capacity to communicate

b. presence of self-concepts and self-awareness

c. reasoning (developed capacity to solve new and relatively complex problems)

d. morally responsible

In this chart again, the child stage begins from age 1, not from conception.


Here is Medicinenet's description of childhood

Childhood: (1) The time for a boy or girl from birth until he or she is an adult. (2) The more circumscribed period of time from infancy to the onset of puberty.

Nice source, to bad it doesn't old a candle to any of mine.

[Peter King]

Nice source, to bad it doesn't old a candle to any of mine.

Well, that might be your opinion but I know better.

As said before, politically correct subjective opinions that a child also means the pre-natal stages is nonsense when looking at biology, psychology and reality.

Biologically seen human development can be seen as:

pre-natal (fertilization-birth)
-embryonic stage - fetal stage

child
-neonate - infant - toddler - play age - primary school

adolescence and puberty

adult

death

[joko104]

The only "truism" I've seen presented, over and over, is denial of personhood from the pro-abortion folks.

It's cringeworthy every time. It's like, "Duh, that's what we're talking about."


And every time, it just confirms that the person typing it doesn't understand what "person" means.

That's ridiculous.

[JayDubya]

That's ridiculous.

I would have to hope that you're agreeing with me, given that my statement was quite neutral, and only about the discussion itself...

Any reasonable, good faith debater should understand that abortion is essentially about the definition of legal personhood... asserting that pre-birth humans are not persons is not an argument against abortion... it is simply asserting the legal status quo, the very thing we are arguing about.




It would be like saying "slaves aren't people" as an argument for slavery against an abolitionist... Yes, they know you don't treat the slaves as people, and that's why they disagree with you.

[tecoyah]

I would have to hope that you're agreeing with me, given that my statement was quite neutral, and only about the discussion itself...

Any reasonable, good faith debater should understand that abortion is essentially about the definition of legal personhood... asserting that pre-birth humans are not persons is not an argument against abortion... it is simply asserting the legal status quo, the very thing we are arguing about.




It would be like saying "slaves aren't people" as an argument for slavery against an abolitionist... Yes, they know you don't treat the slaves as people, and that's why they disagree with you.

I think of myself as a "reasonable, good faith debater", yet to my understanding the debate involves a womans' right to choose, personal freedom, and in some ways constitutional law, societal health, and secularism.

It seems to me that making this about personhood...is not reasonable, nor done in good faith (unless we are talking about your faith in God).

[Jerry]

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[Jerry]

Well, that might be your opinion...

Truth is not an opinion. Those are facts. Check the links, they lead to what's called "evidence".