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Mississippi to pass law that may ban contraceptives

prometeus said:
I applied nothing. I noted that the significance of a fetus was no more than monetary.
You are as usual grasping at straws in an attempt to salvage a meaningless remark you made in an earlier post and have demonstrated your willingness to misrepresent and distort in order to do it. Quite pathetic but expected.
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The significance of life in general at the time of Hammurabi was little more than monetary. At that time, all life was the property of someone else, save perhaps the Emperor himself. This is a critical understanding that you seem to be missing.
 
mertex said:
You read that right! Mississippi has initiated a bill aimed at banning abortions, but written so broad and vague so as to possibly ban contraceptives, in-vitro fertilization, etc. I'm sure the people in Mississippi think they are just banning abortion, won't they be surprised! Wonder how re-districting will be handled when they have to include every fetus (they will be considered persons)! What is scary is people who think like this not being able to use contraceptives and flooding the country with more of the same!

Mississippi ‘Personhood’ Law Could Ban Abortions And Birth Control


HP-Mississippi voters will be allowed to decide on a ballot measure that defines “personhood” from the moment of fertilization, the Mississippi Supreme Court ruled last week. The measure could potentially outlaw abortions, birth control, in vitro fertilization and stem cell research across the state.
Measure 26, which will bypass the legislature and go straight to a popular ballot vote,redefines the term “person” as it appears throughout Mississippi’s Bill of Rights to include “all human beings from the moment of fertilization, cloning or the functional equivalent thereof.”The American Civil Liberties Union of Mississippi, Planned Parenthood and the Center for Reproductive Rights filed a lawsuit against the proposal earlier this year, not based on its content or constitutionality, but because Mississippi state law says a ballot initiative cannot be used to change the Bill of Rights.
The Mississippi Supreme Court rejected the lawsuit in a 7-2 ruling, saying that it had no power to review any ballot initiative before the actual vote takes place.
The ballot vote is scheduled for Nov. 8.
Mississippi 'Personhood' Law Could Ban Abortions And Birth Control | Kimora Cochran
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Oh great, so now all the illegals have to do is get pregnant in the US.

As for abortion, whatever. You're all wrong anyway. If anything, abortion should be mandatory if the couple aren't married. Such a legal requirement will never happen, but you should abort if you're not committed to each-other. Yes it's a 'person' and a life and alive and a heartbeat and everything, and it should still be killed.

Also, about that marriage, yes gays should be allowed, but everyone should have to go through comprehensive personal and financial pre-marital counseling. No one will, though, so **** it, let gays marry, they're all going to divorce anyway, just like everyone else.

But, no one is taking any level of responsibility for their behavior, so **** it. If abortion is banned, ok, women weren't being responsible anyway. If abortion remains freely available and your child is killed, fine, you shouldn't have slept with that bitch before committing to her anyway, this is what happens. Illegals get to stay if they get pregnant in-country? Whatever, it's not like our leadership was going to secure the boarder anyway.
 
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mac said:
The significance of life in general at the time of Hammurabi was little more than monetary. At that time, all life was the property of someone else, save perhaps the Emperor himself. This is a critical understanding that you seem to be missing.
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More BS from you. Is there no limit to the dishonesty you practice?
Your initial comment in reference to the code was how it treated abortion, now since you lost that point along with the inane accusations you made along the way, you are attempting to move the goal posts and make it about life.
Well you only succeeded in demonstrating hypocrisy. Earlier you questioned the understanding of the code by another poster and now you demonstrate that you are clueless about it too.
Life had more significance than just monetary as demonstrated by the numerous instances where death was a penalty, especially when other life was taken. Obviously not the case with fetuses.
 
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prometeus said:
More BS from you. Is there no limit to the dishonesty you practice?
Your initial comment in reference to the code was how it treated abortion, now since you lost that point along with the inane accusations you made along the way, you are attempting to move the goal posts and make it about life.
Well you only succeeded in demonstrating hypocrisy. Earlier you questioned the understanding of the code by another poster and now you demonstrate that you are clueless about it too.
Life had more significance than just monetary as demonstrated by the numerous instances where death was a penalty, especially when other life was taken. Obviously not the case with fetuses.
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Read the rest of the laws. People were property....why would that be any different for unborn people? Really, get to know the history before you make stupid comments.

The only thing dishonest here is you taking a line from a law written thousands of years ago and ignoring the historical context.
 
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mac said:
Read the rest of the laws. People were property....why would that be any different for unborn people? Really, get to know the history before you make stupid comments.
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I did read it, the difference being that I also understood it while the most you could do with it is attempt to score a point.
 
prometeus said:
I did read it, the difference being that I also understood it while the most you could do with it is attempt to score a point.
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No, you obviously did not understand.
 
prometeus said:
Why not explain or at least show what I misunderstood?
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I did, and you still refuse to understand.

The fact that punishment for the loss of life in the case of the unborn child is not all that significant considering the same punishment existed for the loss of life for born persons. People were property, born or unborn, and the laws were written accordingly. It's not so significant that the punishment seems to only account for "the loss of property", relative to modern thinking, concerning the loss of the child when all loss of life was weighed in terms of monetary loss and/or fine.
 
mac said:
I did, and you still refuse to understand.
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No, you made self serving proclamations as usual and without basis and you repeated it here. Conveniently you are not addressing the real issue, namely what was the penalty for killing.
 
Blackdog said:
Mississippi is not known for being a "Catholic" state so the birth control thing is probably an over reaction. Most protestant based religions (the bulk of people in Missippi) do not have a problem with birth control.
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Some birth control involves killing a zygote though, that's why birth control is in play.
 
misterman said:
Some birth control involves killing a zygote though, that's why birth control is in play.
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And 50% of fertilised eggs do not implant - so are you going to include those "lost babies" in legislation?
 
Bodhisattva said:
Or it poked a nice little hole in your logic... ;)
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I seriously doubt it. Give me the post #, and I'll check it out.



That was the point. To display the non-sensical nature of your non-response.
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No, you made some inane remark about my response to Mac without reading our previous posts - yours was the nonsensical post.
 
Mississippi is the most pro-abortion and anti-children state in the country. With their current law, it is essentially a criminal offense punishable by up to life in prison for any woman who ever drank alcohol or used any illegal drug to not abort if she becomes pregnant. Thus abortion is not only legal in Mississippi but required.
 
Jerry said:
Oh great, so now all the illegals have to do is get pregnant in the US.

As for abortion, whatever. You're all wrong anyway. If anything, abortion should be mandatory if the couple aren't married. Such a legal requirement will never happen, but you should abort if you're not committed to each-other. Yes it's a 'person' and a life and alive and a heartbeat and everything, and it should still be killed.

Also, about that marriage, yes gays should be allowed, but everyone should have to go through comprehensive personal and financial pre-marital counseling. No one will, though, so **** it, let gays marry, they're all going to divorce anyway, just like everyone else.

But, no one is taking any level of responsibility for their behavior, so **** it. If abortion is banned, ok, women weren't being responsible anyway. If abortion remains freely available and your child is killed, fine, you shouldn't have slept with that bitch before committing to her anyway, this is what happens. Illegals get to stay if they get pregnant in-country? Whatever, it's not like our leadership was going to secure the boarder anyway.
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That is a GREAT point! Any woman illegally in this country may NOT be deported because her fetus is an American citizen. In fact, since it is not immediately determinable if a woman is pregnant, ANY girl over age 5 and any woman only needs to say "I had sex yesterday" and she can not be deported as she might be "fertilized."

Outlawing abortion would only apply to poor women, so their hope is that the poorest teens and women in the country have huge families, but middle and upper class does not.
 
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