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Old 02-07-10, 05:12 PM   #1
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New errors in IPCC climate change report

I am sure the religious zealots and devout believers of the man made global warming fairy tale religion will disregard this story.

New errors in IPCC climate change report - Telegraph

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s (IPCC) report is supposed to be the world’s most authoritative scientific account of the scale of global warming.

But this paper has discovered a series of new flaws in it including:

* The publication of inaccurate data on the potential of wave power to produce electricity around the world, which was wrongly attributed to the website of a commercial wave-energy company.

* Claims based on information in press releases and newsletters.

* New examples of statements based on student dissertations, two of which were unpublished.

* More claims which were based on reports produced by environmental pressure groups.

They are the latest in a series of damaging revelations about the IPCC’s most recent report, published in 2007.

Last month, the panel was forced to issue a humiliating retraction after it emerged statements about the melting of Himalayan glaciers were inaccurate.

Last weekend, this paper revealed that the panel had based claims about disappearing mountain ice on anecdotal evidence in a student’s dissertation and an article in a mountaineering magazine.

And on Friday, it emerged that the IPCC’s panel had wrongly reported that more than half of the Netherlands was below sea level because it had failed to check information supplied by a Dutch government agency.

Researchers insist the errors are minor and do not impact on the overall conclusions about climate change.

However, senior scientists are now expressing concern at the way the IPCC compiles its reports and have hit out at the panel’s use of so-called “grey literature” — evidence from sources that have not been subjected to scientific *scrutiny.
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Re: New errors in IPCC climate change report

Time to dump Kyoto and cap and trade NOW
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Time to dump Kyoto and cap and trade NOW
You guys are grasping at straws.
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You guys are grasping at straws.
Looking at the facts or should I say the lack of facts coming out from the IPCC's history.
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You guys are grasping at straws.
Which facts listed above are "straws"?
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Re: New errors in IPCC climate change report

If man-caused global warming, climate change, Earth fever, or whatever you want to call it is real, imminent, and destructive to mankind, then why does the IPCC and so many government-paid "scientists" have to collude, lie, exaggerate, hide the truth, and use invalid sources and data in a lame attempt to prove their point? The only ones buying the IPCC line are scheming politicians, complicit media, and scientists who are sucking up huge government grants... oh and also little indoctrinated children.

And, if the IPCC is right in their assertions, why has recent history proven the IPCC wrong in every climate model prediction that it stands behind?
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If man-caused global warming, climate change, Earth fever, or whatever you want to call it is real, imminent, and destructive to mankind, then why does the IPCC and so many government-paid "scientists" have to collude, lie, exaggerate, hide the truth, and use invalid sources and data in a lame attempt to prove their point? The only ones buying the IPCC line are scheming politicians, complicit media, and scientists who are sucking up huge government grants... oh and also little indoctrinated children.

And, if the IPCC is right in their assertions, why has recent history proven the IPCC wrong in every climate model prediction that it stands behind?
Because climate modeling is so vastly complicated that people will make errors. Nobody is ever going to have a 100% accurate model. What we've discovered is that the Titanic is sinking at a rate that is different than what we previously believed. You're arguing that the Titanic is actually floating just fine.

This is how science works. You hypothesize, test, and adjust your hypothesis based on your findings. You do that a few thousand times and you gradually make your way closer to an accurate model of how things are working.

The margin of error is steadily shrinking, and the arrow still points towards a serious issue we're partially responsible for.
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Because climate modeling is so vastly complicated that people will make errors. Nobody is ever going to have a 100% accurate model.
DUH. We cannot get a forecast right more then 3-5 days out, and that's iffy sometimes as well. Depends on the model being used, and the type of system.

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What we've discovered is that the Titanic is sinking at a rate that is different than what we previously believed. You're arguing that the Titanic is actually floating just fine.
The Earth has a very complicated atmosphere, and it changes, each year is different, each decade, each century. Why do you believe that sudden;y that's going to change because we do anything so insignificant as change a light bulb, or drive a hybrid?

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This is how science works. You hypothesize, test, and adjust your hypothesis based on your findings. You do that a few thousand times and you gradually make your way closer to an accurate model of how things are working.
Science also requires a very healthy dose of skepticism, open and honest evaluations of the data, and most importantly, HONEST data. IF science was a matter that could be settled by committee, then Einstein was an idiot.

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The margin of error is steadily shrinking, and the arrow still points towards a serious issue we're partially responsible for.
No, the political dogma is that we are "responsible" and we can "do something about it". The earth doesn't need Government regulation, it's governed by a far high power.
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Re: New errors in IPCC climate change report

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Because climate modeling is so vastly complicated that people will make errors. Nobody is ever going to have a 100% accurate model. What we've discovered is that the Titanic is sinking at a rate that is different than what we previously believed. You're arguing that the Titanic is actually floating just fine.

This is how science works. You hypothesize, test, and adjust your hypothesis based on your findings. You do that a few thousand times and you gradually make your way closer to an accurate model of how things are working.

The margin of error is steadily shrinking, and the arrow still points towards a serious issue we're partially responsible for.
Translation:it is all BS from the IPCC and climate scientist
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Re: New errors in IPCC climate change report

Thousands of scientists. Decades of work. All of them are wrong.

Because you know better.
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