What if the CRU hack was not a hack?

Sir Loin · 12-04-09, 02:01 AM

What if the CRU hack was not a hack at all and the emails, were put together by a court ordered British FOIA release? And that information was actually stored on a public server and was known to exist six months ago?

OH this is going to get good. I'm buying popcorn.

NY Times reporter whitewashes Climategate story he is part of Green Hell Blog

DarkWizard12 · 12-04-09, 02:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sir Loin

What if the CRU hack was not a hack at all and the emails, were put together by a court ordered British FOIA release? And that information was actually stored on a public server and was known to exist six months ago?

OH this is going to get good. I'm buying popcorn.

NY Times reporter whitewashes Climategate story he is part of Green Hell Blog

If that is the case, then the scientists involved at the UEA really conducted themselves poorly.

Sir Loin · 12-04-09, 02:47 AM

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Originally Posted by DarkWizard12

If that is the case, then the scientists involved at the UEA really conducted themselves poorly.

Indeed..................

Councilman · 12-04-09, 03:32 AM

There is talk and I have no idea if it carries any validity that those responsible for the fraud could actually face prosecution. If that is the case then I would like see to charges brought against anyone who continues to perpetrate this HOAX as we know some already have done, including some in the White House I understand. They would be accessories after the fact.

This whole HOAX from the start was about money and control. Why else would the fake environmental movement protest the building of the very plants they were crying for just a few short years ago. Namely SOLAR and WIND generation. They know they go out of business if clean energy catches on in a big enough way that there is no longer reason to protest.

I feel kind of sorry for the poor stupid schmucks that got sucked into the belief that the HOAX was real. They thought they were really doing something good.

The same is going to happen to the fools backing the "Obama I Don't really Care About Your Health KIll Granny Plan" when they find out about the rationing and people dying waiting for treatment, because many doctors are talking about bailing.

Obama is a master at being able to use the truth as deception. Example claim the AMA backs his plan. Truth. Fact the members never voted their support. Fact fewer than 30% of doctors are members of the AMA. So a true statement is massively misleading. It's all from his training at manipulating it's the only thing he's any good at.

Obama and others are going to try to brush the truth aside and replace the exposed lies with new ones. Obama is the king of all liars to date, and he's not going to let this inconvenient truth slow down his thirst for power control and your tax money for one minute.

Obama will tell you a small truth to mask a huge lie. It's his style.

Middleground · 12-04-09, 06:11 AM

Excuse me, I seem to be lost. I was in the Environment Forum, and suddenly, I am in Conspiracy Theories.

MrVicchio · 12-04-09, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Middleground

Excuse me, I seem to be lost. I was in the Environment Forum, and suddenly, I am in Conspiracy Theories.

What a GREAT idea, I move that all "pro-AGW" threads get moved down to tin foil hat land, because that's all they are now. The realm of fiction, the hoax has been exposed.

Finally MG, you've contributed to this forum positively.

Erod · 12-04-09, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Middleground

Excuse me, I seem to be lost. I was in the Environment Forum, and suddenly, I am in Conspiracy Theories.

Global Warming is a conspiracy theory.

The emails are not.

Middleground · 12-04-09, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Erod

Global Warming is a conspiracy theory.

The emails are not.

How can it be a conspiracy theory when over 8 out of 10 American climate scientists believe that human activity contributes to global warming?

DarkWizard12 · 12-04-09, 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Middleground

How can it be a conspiracy theory when over 8 out of 10 American climate scientists believe that human activity contributes to global warming?

because only 2 out of 10 american climate scientists are telling the truth?

Middleground · 12-04-09, 10:01 AM

BTW, I can't help but love the irony here.

Steve Milloy (from the Conspiracy Theory link):

Quote:

Mr. Hoyt,

Shouldn’t Andrew Revkin haved recused himself from his Nov. 21 front-page article, “Hacked E-mail Is New Fodder for Climate Dispute“?

First, as Revkin briefly acknowledges in the article, he is part of the story. Isn’t it a breach of journalistic ethics for a reporter to report on a story of which he is part?

Yet the very same person has made claims that research done against secondhand smoke are wrong.

Quote:

Milloy has criticized research linking secondhand tobacco smoke to cancer, claiming that "the vast majority of studies reported no statistical association."[13] In 1993, Milloy dismissed an Environmental Protection Agency report linking secondhand tobacco smoke to cancer as "a joke." Five years later Milloy claimed vindication after a federal court criticized the EPA's conclusions. However, the court's finding against the EPA was overturned on appeal.

When the British Medical Journal published a meta-analysis confirming a link in 1997, Milloy wrote, "Of the 37 studies, only 7—less than 19 percent—reported statistically significant increases in lung cancer incidence... Meta-analysis of the secondhand smoke studies was a joke when EPA did it in 1993. And it remains a joke today."[14] When another researcher published a study linking secondhand smoke to cancer, Milloy wrote that she "... must have pictures of journal editors in compromising positions with farm animals. How else can you explain her studies seeing the light of day?"[4]

Thing is, Milloy has strong ties to the tobacco industry. To steal a quote, "Shouldn't he have rescused himself?"

Quote:

While at FoxNews.com, Milloy has continued to criticize claims that secondhand tobacco smoke causes cancer.[3] However, with the release of confidential tobacco industry documents as part of the Tobacco Master Settlement Agreement, the objectivity of Milloy's stance on secondhand smoke has been questioned. Based on this documentation, journalists Paul D. Thacker and George Monbiot, as well as the Union of Concerned Scientists and others, have contended that Milloy is a paid advocate for the tobacco industry.[3][5][15]

Milloy's junkscience.com website was reviewed and revised by a public relations firm hired by the R. J. Reynolds Tobacco Company.[16] Milloy also worked as executive director of The Advancement of Sound Science Coalition (TASSC), a "front group" established in 1993 by Philip Morris and its public relations firm "to expand and assist Philip Morris in its efforts with issues in targeted states."[3][17][18] Philip Morris memos describe "utilizing TASSC as a tool in targeted legislative battles";[19] a 1994 Philip Morris memo listed TASSC among its "Tools to Affect Legislative Decisions".[20] According to its 1997 annual report, TASSC "sponsored" junkscience.com.[21]

The New Republic reported that Milloy, who is presented by Fox News as an independent journalist, was under contract to provide consulting services to Philip Morris through the end of 2005.[3] In 2000 and 2001, for example, Milloy received a total of $180,000 in payments from Philip Morris for consulting services.[22] A spokesperson for Fox News stated, "Fox News was unaware of Milloy's connection with Philip Morris. Any affiliation he had should have been disclosed."[3] Milloy's association with the Cato Institute ended shortly afterwards; however, as of March 2008[update], he continues to write for FoxNews.com, where he is described as a "junk science expert."[23] Monbiot wrote: "Even after Fox News was told about the money [Milloy] had been receiving from Philip Morris and Exxon, it continued to employ him, without informing its readers about his interests."[24] Thacker wrote:

Objective viewers long ago realized that Fox News has a political agenda. But, when a pundit promotes this agenda while on the take from corporations that benefit from it, then Fox News has gone one disturbing step further.[3]
The American Nonsmokers' Rights Foundation (no-smoke.org) similarly stated that "...Milloy has made it his life’s work to deny scientific studies conducted and published by the world’s most reputable and credible scientific agencies... and label their objective evidence as 'junk science'. Milloy has a lucrative and lengthy relationship with the tobacco industry."[25]

I bolded Fox News, just for you, Sir Loin. ;-)

So in light of all of that, how can anyone take anything this man says/writes in a serious fashion? He's a joke.

Steven_Milloy

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Councilman Professor Join Date: Apr 2009 Last Seen: Today 07:37 PM Location: Riverside, County, CA. Posts: 1,355 Thanks: 77 Thanked 541 Times in 324 Posts Lean: Slightly Conservative Gender:	Re: What if the CRU hack was not a hack? There is talk and I have no idea if it carries any validity that those responsible for the fraud could actually face prosecution. If that is the case then I would like see to charges brought against anyone who continues to perpetrate this HOAX as we know some already have done, including some in the White House I understand. They would be accessories after the fact. This whole HOAX from the start was about money and control. Why else would the fake environmental movement protest the building of the very plants they were crying for just a few short years ago. Namely SOLAR and WIND generation. They know they go out of business if clean energy catches on in a big enough way that there is no longer reason to protest. I feel kind of sorry for the poor stupid schmucks that got sucked into the belief that the HOAX was real. They thought they were really doing something good. The same is going to happen to the fools backing the "Obama I Don't really Care About Your Health KIll Granny Plan" when they find out about the rationing and people dying waiting for treatment, because many doctors are talking about bailing. Obama is a master at being able to use the truth as deception. Example claim the AMA backs his plan. Truth. Fact the members never voted their support. Fact fewer than 30% of doctors are members of the AMA. So a true statement is massively misleading. It's all from his training at manipulating it's the only thing he's any good at. Obama and others are going to try to brush the truth aside and replace the exposed lies with new ones. Obama is the king of all liars to date, and he's not going to let this inconvenient truth slow down his thirst for power control and your tax money for one minute. Obama will tell you a small truth to mask a huge lie. It's his style.

12-04-09, 06:11 AM	#5
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