Climatologists Baffled by Global Warming Time-Out

reefedjib · 11-25-09, 06:54 AM

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Global warming appears to have stalled. Climatologists are puzzled as to why average global temperatures have stopped rising over the last 10 years. Some attribute the trend to a lack of sunspots, while others explain it through ocean currents.

At least the weather in Copenhagen is likely to be cooperating. The Danish Meteorological Institute predicts that temperatures in December, when the city will host the United Nations Climate Change Conference, will be one degree above the long-term average.

Otherwise, however, not much is happening with global warming at the moment. The Earth's average temperatures have stopped climbing since the beginning of the millennium, and it even looks as though global warming could come to a standstill this year.
Ironically, climate change appears to have stalled in the run-up to the upcoming world summit in the Danish capital, where thousands of politicians, bureaucrats, scientists, business leaders and environmental activists plan to negotiate a reduction in greenhouse gas emissions. Billions of euros are at stake in the negotiations.

Stagnating Temperatures: Climatologists Baffled by Global Warming Time-Out - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International

American · 11-25-09, 07:22 AM

Given the latest news about emails and doctored data, I doubt we ever had a real warming trend now. I certainly don't believe in manmade global warming.

Singularity · 11-25-09, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by American

Given the latest news about emails and doctored data, I doubt we ever had a real warming trend now. I certainly don't believe in manmade global warming.

Those emails contain no doctored data, nor any admission that global warming is a hoax (RealClimate: The CRU hack). After having studied the evidence for years, I am convinced that anthropogenic global warming is occurring. There are plenty of peer-reviewed papers that explain all of this, published in top quality journals all over the world. Heck, i've even read a few of 'em. A little boring, but it's a topic I am interested in, so I checked them out.

However, while most liberals trust the scientific community on this issue, we ALL want them to be wrong. Hell, even the climatologists themselves want to be wrong. Simply put, nobody wants to damage the environment and spend billions cleaning it up. And I think you conservative types would agree with that.

So trust me when I say this. If global warming is a sham and our world's climate is gonna be just peachy for the next few millenia regardless of how much CO2 we throw into it, then us libs will happily admit we were wrong. Then we can all drive down to the local Starbucks in our 8-banger SUV's and have a few lattes together.

Middleground · 11-25-09, 09:01 AM

This stupid article again???

If the author cared about facts, he wouldn't have penned this:

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Otherwise, however, not much is happening with global warming at the moment. The Earth's average temperatures have stopped climbing since the beginning of the millennium

Simply untrue. And it doesn't take an Einstein to figure it out either.

American · 11-25-09, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Singularity

Those emails contain no doctored data, nor any admission that global warming is a hoax (RealClimate: The CRU hack). After having studied the evidence for years, I am convinced that anthropogenic global warming is occurring. There are plenty of peer-reviewed papers that explain all of this, published in top quality journals all over the world. Heck, i've even read a few of 'em. A little boring, but it's a topic I am interested in, so I checked them out.

However, while most liberals trust the scientific community on this issue, we ALL want them to be wrong. Hell, even the climatologists themselves want to be wrong. Simply put, nobody wants to damage the environment and spend billions cleaning it up. And I think you conservative types would agree with that.

So trust me when I say this. If global warming is a sham and our world's climate is gonna be just peachy for the next few millenia regardless of how much CO2 we throw into it, then us libs will happily admit we were wrong. Then we can all drive down to the local Starbucks in our 8-banger SUV's and have a few lattes together.

Why the hell should I believe you? And you haven't read those emails, so you only know what is reported like me.

reefedjib · 11-25-09, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Middleground

This stupid article again???

If the author cared about facts, he wouldn't have penned this:

Simply untrue. And it doesn't take an Einstein to figure it out either.

Prove it....

Erod · 11-25-09, 09:06 AM

Wow, so Al Gore has single-handedly invented the internet and stopped global warming in the same lifetime? I'm so lucky to have witnessed this first hand.

reefedjib · 11-25-09, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Singularity

Those emails contain no doctored data, nor any admission that global warming is a hoax (RealClimate: The CRU hack). After having studied the evidence for years, I am convinced that anthropogenic global warming is occurring. There are plenty of peer-reviewed papers that explain all of this, published in top quality journals all over the world. Heck, i've even read a few of 'em. A little boring, but it's a topic I am interested in, so I checked them out.

However, while most liberals trust the scientific community on this issue, we ALL want them to be wrong. Hell, even the climatologists themselves want to be wrong. Simply put, nobody wants to damage the environment and spend billions cleaning it up. And I think you conservative types would agree with that.

So trust me when I say this. If global warming is a sham and our world's climate is gonna be just peachy for the next few millenia regardless of how much CO2 we throw into it, then us libs will happily admit we were wrong. Then we can all drive down to the local Starbucks in our 8-banger SUV's and have a few lattes together.

There is two issues: global warming and AGW. This article is about global warming, where temperatures have plateaued this decade. If temperatures have plateaued, it is kind of difficult to claim the AGW is the cause of previous warming. AGW is also what is at issue with Climategate emails and data manipulations. AGW is what is most in doubt. It has had a negligible effect.

Singularity · 11-25-09, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by American

Why the hell should I believe you? And you haven't read those emails, so you only know what is reported like me.

Ahh, but I did read the website I linked. And given that those very same hacked emails were attempted to be uploaded onto that site (and which the climatologists had a look at), then i'd say that's head-and-shoulders above anything you or I have read to the contrary, no? After all, the detractors haven't read those emails, either. But those folks I linked to certainly did.

As for believing me, I don't care. That's your choice. I just wanted to point out that those emails showed no doctored data, no global conspiracy, and no admission that global warming is a hoax among the scientists involved.

Regarding the issue of global warming, though, I think you and I can both agree that we hope that climatologists are wrong here. Conservatives and liberals both want a good ol' planet with a nice, stable climate, because unless someone gets busy terraforming Mars and Venus real soon, we live on the only game in town.

Middleground · 11-25-09, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Erod

Wow, so Al Gore has single-handedly invented the internet and stopped global warming in the same lifetime? I'm so lucky to have witnessed this first hand.

Wow the lies and exaggerations keep growing and growing. I bet Gore brags that he walked to school in 10 feet of snow when he was a kid, hence his current stance on warming.

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