Arch Enemy

I've lost faith in science.

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DarkWizard12

Don't.

Science has a come a long way, from the Aristotle, to Newton, to Einstein. Science is the mere search for truth through all means and facets possible.

the problem here isn't science, the problem here are scientists who are now, despite all their degrees and claims to fame, are just people like us, greedy and politically motivated. They are wrong, not science for, science has already spoke against their case long before their e-mails; people are just paying attention to it now.

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Originally Posted by OKGrannie Even pro-choicers will say the fetus is alive.

Arch Enemy

That's the same problem with religious leaders too.

It's all greed and selfishness.

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DarkWizard12

I spend time trying to find religious leaders in my community(out of the hundreds here in Longview) that preach the way my book says to preach. When a preacher says "God says, Donate to the church, vote republican, and you will go to heaven", that's usually the first sign he don't care about the religion.

Likewise, when scientists run around going "Science says that if you turn green and vote democrat, the world will be saved", that's usually a sign that they are indeed all for "going green", a different kind of green, to be sure.($$$$$$)

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Originally Posted by OKGrannie Even pro-choicers will say the fetus is alive.

Sir Loin

Like I said, knee jerk. Thanks for illustrating.
I'm about as interested in Real Climate's spin and instant dismissal of this inconvenient turn of events as I am yours. But hey, in the originality department, way to go with that whole "if you would add some reading comprehension" comment. You just never see that on the internet.

You may now return to trying tell us that this is no big deal. Lies, omissions and outright deception are all part of the "good science" you spoke of, so this just does not concern you.

Arch Enemy

The problem is that both are unblemished in their pure form, yet they hold no meaning until we dilute it with our interpretation; It gives it a life of it's own, which is sometimes ugly.

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DarkWizard12

People will produce either religious wars or frankenstiens, it seems.

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Originally Posted by OKGrannie Even pro-choicers will say the fetus is alive.

Dav

Really? You're posting this in a thread about how the scientists are manipulating data? Did you even know what this thread was about when you made this post?

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Joe1991

I have yet to see any proof of manipulated data. My happy horse**** statement stands until proven otherwise.

I know you GW deniers don't care how completely stupid you look, but just think for one second, out of hundreds of thousands of scientists around the world testing, analyzing, being peer-reviewed... do you really think there is some massive worldwide conspiracy to make Al Gore rich??

I mean seriously... you guys make the most wacky 9/11 conspiracy theories look sane in comparison.

ScottD

Have these emails been confirmed as legit, or could they just be works of fiction?