Climategate: the final nail in the coffin of 'Anthropogenic Global Warming'?

DarkWizard12 · 11-21-09, 04:38 PM

It's over. AGW has been pushed long enough. Expect the green movement to decline into human history, forever.

AGW...is dead.

gotcha

reefedjib · 11-21-09, 05:03 PM

This is HUGE. Prominent climate researchers manipulating data. What was it said:

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Conspiracy, collusion in exaggerating warming data, possibly illegal destruction of embarrassing information, organised resistance to disclosure, manipulation of data, private admissions of flaws in their public claims and much more.

The email where they colluded with the researcher in Colorado is evidence that this goes beyond this facility. Quite damning. If they are manipulating data (and evidently won't produce their raw data) then how are we to trust their analysis and conclusions in light of these events?

Joe1991 · 11-21-09, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Sir Loin

You're only the same person who in the first reply to this thread tried to dismiss the story as happy horse****.

Yes, it appears to be.

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Originally Posted by Sir Loin

Manipulation of evidence:[/I][INDENT][I]I’ve just completed Mike’s Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) amd from 1961 for Keith’s to hide the decline.

If you would add some proper reading comprehension, you'll see that the scientist was pointing out a way to solve a problem, not manipulation of evidence.

again, from realclimate's article:

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No doubt, instances of cherry-picked and poorly-worded “gotcha” phrases will be pulled out of context. One example is worth mentioning quickly. Phil Jones in discussing the presentation of temperature reconstructions stated that “I’ve just completed Mike’s Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith’s to hide the decline.” The paper in question is the Mann, Bradley and Hughes (1998) Nature paper on the original multiproxy temperature reconstruction, and the ‘trick’ is just to plot the instrumental records along with reconstruction so that the context of the recent warming is clear. Scientists often use the term “trick” to refer to a “a good way to deal with a problem”, rather than something that is “secret”, and so there is nothing problematic in this at all. As for the ‘decline’, it is well known that Keith Briffa’s maximum latewood tree ring density proxy diverges from the temperature records after 1960 (this is more commonly known as the “divergence problem”–see e.g. the recent discussion in this paper) and has been discussed in the literature since Briffa et al in Nature in 1998 (Nature, 391, 678-682). Those authors have always recommend not using the post 1960 part of their reconstruction, and so while ‘hiding’ is probably a poor choice of words (since it is ‘hidden’ in plain sight), not using the data in the plot is completely appropriate, as is further research to understand why this happens.

Djoop · 11-21-09, 06:43 PM

All depends on whether you're willing to take the risk of being wrong. Can all the deniers leave their name and adress? Those people, yes those people, should be the first to suffer the consequences.

The arrogance of some people, un-******-believable.

reefedjib · 11-21-09, 07:34 PM

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so while ‘hiding’ is probably a poor choice of words (since it is ‘hidden’ in plain sight), not using the data in the plot is completely appropriate, as is further research to understand why this happens.

Yes, 'hiding' is probably a poor choice of word.

Not using the data in the plot because it inconveniently is mismatched by other data is also dishonest.

The science is shaky.

We should not accept any paper on climate change or AGW unless it publishes the raw data and any derived values used to reach their conclusions.

Goshin · 11-21-09, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Djoop

All depends on whether you're willing to take the risk of being wrong. Can all the deniers leave their name and adress? Those people, yes those people, should be the first to suffer the consequences.

The arrogance of some people, un-******-believable.

If this horse **** actually turns out to be a genuine TEOTWAWKI disaster, I'll be first in line to say "I was wrong, so shoot me."

I have no fear at all of this actually happening. Global warming as a man-made disaster is a bunch of BS.

Strucky · 11-21-09, 08:45 PM

Strucky · 11-21-09, 08:54 PM

You can read the emails HERE

Strucky · 11-21-09, 10:06 PM

After reviewing a few web pages of email it seems to me these guys were very paranoid of the Freedom Of Information Act.

Strucky · 11-21-09, 10:17 PM

Geez,why would'nt you want that info released?

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PS I'm getting hassled by a couple of people to release the CRU station temperature data.
Don't any of you three tell anybody that the UK has a Freedom of Information Act !

Alleged CRU Emails - Searchable

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