Jellyfish Swarm Northward in Warming World

liblady · 11-16-09, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Gill

No, they aren't..... you are swigging too much kool-aid.

That goes for you too Catz.

There's a main difference between us. I don't accept main stream media's take on this issue. I research and read papers by a variety of scientists.

I won't mention where you two have your heads stuck into.

The Mystery of Global Warming's Missing Heat : NPR

Oceans are cooling according to NASA

good lord......do you expect that we won't READ your links?

Gill · 11-16-09, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by liblady

good lord......do you expect that we won't READ your links?

You must not if you didn't even know I quoted NASA.

liblady · 11-16-09, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Gill

You must not if you didn't even know I quoted NASA.

i did read your link, after i posted.

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John Willis, an oceanographer at NASA's Jet Propulsion Lab, published his first report about the warming oceans. The article Correcting Ocean Cooling (see below) published on NASA's Earth Observatory page this week discussed his and other results. willis used data from1993-2003 that showed the warm-up and followed the Global Warming Theory. In 2006, he co-piloted a follow-up study led by John Lyman at Pacific Marine Environmental Laboratory in Seattle that updated the time series for 2003-2005. Surprisingly, the ocean seemed to have cooled. He was surprised, and called it a 'speed bump' on the way to global warming.

Gill · 11-16-09, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by liblady

i did read your link, after i posted.

One simple question. Try and answer it....

Did he say the ocean is currently cooling??? a simple yes or no will suffice.

liblady · 11-16-09, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Gill

You must not if you didn't even know I quoted NASA.

just in case you didn't read your other link....you really are pretty diengenuous about this, you know.

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"There has been a very slight cooling, but not anything really significant," Willis says. So the buildup of heat on Earth may be on a brief hiatus. "Global warming doesn't mean every year will be warmer than the last. And it may be that we are in a period of less rapid warming."

In recent years, heat has actually been flowing out of the ocean and into the air. This is a feature of the weather phenomenon known as El Nino. So it is indeed possible the air has warmed but the ocean has not. But it's also possible that something more mysterious is going on.

That becomes clear when you consider what's happening to global sea level. Sea level rises when the oceans get warm because warmer water expands. This accounts for about half of global sea level rise. So with the oceans not warming, you would expect to see less sea level rise. Instead, sea level has risen about half an inch in the past four years. That's a lot.

Willis says some of this water is apparently coming from a recent increase in the melting rate of glaciers in Greenland and Antarctica.

"But in fact there's a little bit of a mystery. We can't account for all of the sea level increase we've seen over the last three or four years," he says.

One possibility is that the sea has, in fact, warmed and expanded — and scientists are somehow misinterpreting the data from the diving buoys.

But if the aquatic robots are actually telling the right story, that raises a new question: Where is the extra heat all going?

Kevin Trenberth at the National Center for Atmospheric Research says it's probably going back out into space. The Earth has a number of natural thermostats, including clouds, which can either trap heat and turn up the temperature, or reflect sunlight and help cool the planet.

That can't be directly measured at the moment, however.

"Unfortunately, we don't have adequate tracking of clouds to determine exactly what role they've been playing during this period," Trenberth says.

It's also possible that some of the heat has gone even deeper into the ocean, he says. Or it's possible that scientists need to correct for some other feature of the planet they don't know about. It's an exciting time, though, with all this new data about global sea temperature, sea level and other features of climate.

"I suspect that we'll able to put this together with a little bit more perspective and further analysis," Trenberth says. "But what this does is highlight some of the issues and send people back to the drawing board."

Trenberth and Willis agree that a few mild years have no effect on the long-term trend of global warming. But they say there are still things to learn about how our planet copes with the heat.

bowerbird · 11-16-09, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Gill

Yep, the esteemed research organization Yahoo, says it's so.

From the guy who quotes "The Examiner"

Why not "Prison Planet"?

Gill · 11-16-09, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by liblady

just in case you didn't read your other link....you really are pretty diengenuous about this, you know.

The first few words proved my point....

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There has been a very slight cooling

and proved both of you wrong.

liblady · 11-16-09, 03:37 PM

one of his links was from the examiner as well. ;-)

Gill · 11-16-09, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by bowerbird

From the guy who quotes "The Examiner"

Why not "Prison Planet"?

Do you have anything to contribute, or are you just trolling as usual??

Scarecrow Akhbar · 11-16-09, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by liblady

just in case you didn't read your other link....you really are pretty diengenuous about this, you know.

"It's also possible that some of the heat has gone even deeper into the ocean, he says."

HOW?

Warm water is less dense than cold water. It rises. So how can warmer water "go deeper" into the ocean?

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