'Global Cooling' claims: FLASE

bowerbird · 11-10-09, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by rebelbuc

You sure like to quote a total government zero, Pelosi, who erroneously threw that "astroturf" title out there to describe a true grass roots movement that she disagreed with (yes, this leads to a different thread).

Ahem - NOT American

Pelosi is only a name to me - I am not quoting her - I am quoting what is common knowledge - Exxon has admitted to funding astroturf sites, The funding has been traced and is part of the public record.

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I only cite it here because it is obvious to me why you attach such a ridiculous descriptive to someone (Lindzen) who you disagree with. You attempt to brand him with name calling rather than take on his work. It greatly shows your bias... it wouldn't matter what you read as you would never see the truth if it was right before your eyes!

And I could say the same for those who are "denialists" because no matter what I present - peer reviewed papers, meta studies, independent reviews - it is all dismissed as some sort of "conspiracy" to "defraud" American people.

rebelbuc · 11-10-09, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by bowerbird

Read the articles for yourself - don't expect me to do your homework for you!!

However consider -
1) in a system as complex as the climate you will not get a linear trend but rather up and down variances that trend upward

2) we are in the middle of a "quiet" period of sunspot activity

3) There has been some mitigation of the warming effect with the reduction in CFC's

4) Oceans are a huge temperature sink - they have been warming

My response:
1) typical BS answer when an AGW disciple can't explain a variation that was not predicted.
2) but most AGW "scientists" won't even acknowledge that the sun is a factor at all... WTF!
3) total BS as the reduction of CFCs have been minimal and no one has shown that to be true.
4) not over the last 9 years... better look at some of that Lindzen info after all!

bowerbird · 11-11-09, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by rebelbuc

My response:
1) typical BS answer when an AGW disciple can't explain a variation that was not predicted.
2) but most AGW "scientists" won't even acknowledge that the sun is a factor at all... WTF!
3) total BS as the reduction of CFCs have been minimal and no one has shown that to be true.
4) not over the last 9 years... better look at some of that Lindzen info after all!

Show me the influence the sun has on the climate - I would really love to know, since at the moment we are in the middle of a sunspot minima

Ahem

CFC clampdown eases pressure on the ozone layer - 07 July 1990 - New Scientist

Scarecrow Akhbar · 11-11-09, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by bowerbird

Ahem - NOT American

Pelosi is only a name to me - I am not quoting her - I am quoting what is common knowledge - Exxon has admitted to funding astroturf sites, The funding has been traced and is part of the public record.

And I could say the same for those who are "denialists" because no matter what I present - peer reviewed papers, meta studies, independent reviews - it is all dismissed as some sort of "conspiracy" to "defraud" American people.

Well, they could just be truly deluded people that actually believe what they say.

since the globe isn't warming and since the former warming trend was caused by external non-human factors, it's really not important if they're part of a conspiracy or just fools.

They're still wrong.

And that is what is important.

Scarecrow Akhbar · 11-11-09, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by bowerbird

Show me the influence the sun has on the climate - I would really love to know, since at the moment we are in the middle of a sunspot minima

Ahem

CFC clampdown eases pressure on the ozone layer - 07 July 1990 - New Scientist

Ummm....no sun = really damn cold.

Scarecrow Akhbar · 11-11-09, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by bowerbird

Which would be nice and might allow Australia to get wet again but I am not holding my breath on that score

Explain why the people of the United States should bankrupt their economy to make it rain down under.

Scarecrow Akhbar · 11-11-09, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by bowerbird

If you people think the FDA is so bad then I suggest you look at what is happening in countries that do not have such an institution - lots of luck buying meds from places like Nigeria

Way to build the strawman!

Way!

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Originally Posted by bowerbird

Perhaps though, a better analogy would have been the tobacco industry - after all they were paying people to come out with "research" showing how "good" smoking was for people

EVERYONE is told that smoking is bad for them the very first time they do it, by an incredibly authoritative source, their lungs. If they're stupid enough to ignore their lungs, they deserve to be taken advantage of.

If people are stupid enough to believe the con artists pushing AGW, they deserve to be robbed.

They don't deserve to rob the rest of us, though.

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Originally Posted by bowerbird

Exxon has admitted to using tobacco industry tactics - including biased research and it is Exxon who is behind CATO and many other astroturf sites

But you have no qualms with your side's lies?

Come on, name the flaws in Albore's "An Inconvenient Propaganda Film".

rebelbuc · 11-12-09, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by bowerbird

But there is a big difference between government supported and Exxon funded

The U.S. government gets away with the equivalent of ponzi schemes and all sorts of corruption just because they control the power and can do it... if Exxon or any other private enterprise tried to do the same it would be like... Enron, Bernie Madoff... you get the idea.

Government is more ethical than private business... NOT!

American · 11-16-09, 11:57 AM

Whether we're warming or cooling is irrelevant, what matters is that blaming the West is total bull****.

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