bowerbird

I would be delighted to see an actual referenced peer reviewed journal article stating that global cooling is happening.

Meanwhile I can swamp you in referenced peer reviewed articles on global climate change

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the makeout hobo

But all of those are from liberal pansy professors with agendas that hate America!

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Sir Loin

Pardon me for asking, but whom at DP is claiming that the Earth is cooling?

Likewise, I am unaware of any great body of people in public IE the real world claiming this either. I recall that prior to the global warming craze began, the craze was global cooling, and that was decades ago. Of course as some of you might recall, there was quite a bit of peer reviewed studies that made that claim. So be careful what you ask for, someone might take up the challenge and go look up those now proven erroneous peer reviewed studies and predictions and leave some of you in quite an awkward place as related to the whole "peer review" argument.

metreon

I've seen one poster, Gill, repetitively cite minor decadal cooling trends while ignoring long term temperature data as proof of cooling.

Even without the temperature data the warming trend seems evident in other processes. Given that the vast majority of terrestrial glaciers are in retreat or have fully disappeared already, and given that paleobiologists have discovered mats of mummified vegetation 5000-50,000 years old in the wake of some of these retreating glaciers, suggesting it has been at least that long since those glaciers have retreated, it is hard to ignore the conclusion that the earth is warming in a way that has not been seen for thousands of years. Even increased levels of snowfall in the Tetons in recent years, for example, has not reversed the retreat of the glaciers there, as they have lost 20% of their surface area (which translates to a large decline in volume as well) since the 1960's. The outflow of the summertime melt still exceeds the elevated inflow of winter snows.

And the process is accelerating. Many predictions of glacial retreat rates have been too low, and had to be revised. For example, ten years ago, researchers studying the retreat of the Chacaltaya glacier in the Andes predicted that the glacier would survive until 2015. But the retreat tripled in the last decade and as of this year, Chacaltaya glacier disappeared completely, well ahead of schedule. I find it very difficult to reconcile accelerating melt rates of terrestrial glaciers worldwide with the notion of a cooling earth.

Sir Loin

I've seen him cite the same data in debate after debate about what used to be called "global warming" and then "anthropogenic global warming" and recently cite the same when debating what has now become "climate change."

I am unaware of any debate where he has taken the opposite stance to the now morphed to (by necessity of facts versus predicted outcomes) "climate change" and claimed outright that we are suffering or undergoing "global cooling" and there is a difference, to those with discerning minds.

So I again ask, whom at DP are making the claims this thread is aimed at? Who are those in the *real world* doing so? Or is this entire thread a red herring?

Middleground

Gill does not believe in global warming. He actually believes we are cooling... just ask him.

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Sir Loin

I don't have to ask him, as I have read his posts. He believes both warming and cooling occur and are part of the natural cycles the Earth has and always shall be undergoing. As usual with you in my experience and particularly as related to this topic, your word or take is highly unreliable and specious at best. Meaning you are quite willing to be dishonest for the sake of an argument, which is not a positive attribute my dear.

Now back on track for a second, my how odd it is nobody wants to discuss all the "peer reviewed science" that went into the "global cooling" theory that a "consensus" previously stated was going to occur, yes yes let's talk about a person (Gil) rather than that inconvenient fact. Chuckle.

Middleground

Well you interpretation of Gill's posts certainly differs from mine. So no, and I am trying to be dishonest, my opinion is based-on what I have read from Gill on this subject. So who is right????

As for "all of the peer reviewed global cooling science," there is none. At least nothing that has been published in a reputable publication. Nothing. Zilch. Nada. It's always the same old "scientists" who cannot get their papers published in a premiere publication.

So until something that is produced that has the scientific community rethinking global warming, I will continue to believe that the planet is warming. There has been nothing that Gill has produced here that tells me otherwise.

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Agnapostate

A two-word phrase is separated from an independent clause by a comma now?

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phattonez

Carbon Dioxide irrelevant in climate debate says MIT Scientist

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