Ethereal

From the article:

The video is a cheerful but brutal assessment of how much Americans waste, and it has its detractors. But it has been embraced by teachers eager to supplement textbooks that lag behind scientific findings on climate change and pollution. And many children who watch it take it to heart: riding in the car one day with his parents in Tacoma, Wash., Rafael de la Torre Batker, 9, was worried about whether it would be bad for the planet if he got a new set of Legos.

Translation: It has been embraced by leftist teachers eager to indoctrinate children with environmentalist propaganda.

Scarecrow Akhbar

Cattle farming....hmmm....maybe we need The Messiah to steal more tax dollars so a major agriculture firm can study the cow plant and come up with cow seeds that are more environmentally friendly?

Or, maybe, since it's Brazil's JUNGLE, Brazil can worry about it.

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Scarecrow Akhbar

There's no end to those. In 1967 I recall the Weekly Readers, and they were constantly harping on how bad things were going to be, like in the year 2001 we'd all be wearing gas masks outside, the air would be brown, and all the plants and animals would be dead and dying.

Then these same teachers wonder where the hell the kids are getting the idea that maybe they won't live to be forty.

Idiots.

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Orion

The Story of Stuff with Annie Leonard

I found it informative.

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MrVicchio

I found it funny, good comedy routine.

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Orion

Spoken like a true denialist.

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MrVicchio

What, it was a propaganda piece to make people feel guilty about living in America, enjoying a high standard of living. What do you call it? "Informative" I bet you got all guilty inside while watching, knowing you had "stuff".

From the NYTIMES:

Yeah, let's make kids feel guilty they live int he best country on earth.

Here read this, see why you've been had by an extremist propoganda film done by a lady without an ounce of honesty in her system. And oh, I watched it, and I LAUGHED.

The Story of Lies: Greenpeace in Your Kid’s School The Foundry

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Alex Libman

Everything should be privately owned - rain forest, ocean territories, and even objects in space. Without the tragedy of the commons, people have an actual incentive to take good care of their land, and an actual liability of negative externalities (i.e. pollution).

Human beings are the measure of all things. The problem right now is that we have too much rain-forest and not enough cattle, which is why there is a market incentive to turn one into the other. If that was reversed, I'm sure property owners would be closing up their farms and terraforming them back into the jungle, or perhaps creating jungle environments (i.e. parks, safaris, etc) wherever there is a demand for them, including other planets.

There's no known limit to what science and capitalism (which are the same thing really) can accomplish!


My reason is cholesterol.

Orion

If it's such propaganda, then you've provided nothing but idle counter-propaganda to try and dismiss it.

I found most of what she said about the resources in developing nations to be true, as well as the externalization of costs. I lived in Southern Brazil, and even all the way down there in Rio Grande do Sul, every-day people had concerns about the State of Amazonas and the Amazon basin. Companies are gobbling it up by thousands of hectares per year. It is a precious natural resource that corporate power has essentially seized control over by gradual accumulation of political power. The local people have no say, and the corporate powers don't care because most of them come from foreign lands. I've also lived in India, and I currently live in China... two of the biggest outsourcing locations in the world for the greed of the West. The problems are very real.

The true cost of Western lavishness is transferred to the burden of other nations so that your local propserity looks clean. It can't last. Either the ecological system will collapse, social unrest in the nations that are being burdened will expand, or disease rates will simply continue to rise until people finally say enough is enough. We are seeing a world gradually shift away from democracies and domestic internalities, and towards international corporatocracy and global externalization of costs, only benefitting a select few.

The whole West is to blame, but the U.S. is the #1 culprit in the West. It consumes the most resources without regard for the ecological or social burdens. This is fact.

Keep playing the spindoctor roll though. I've already seen the realities of our Western lifestyle with my own eyes, and you won't be changing my mind. The things you say only echo the corporate spindoctors that are vying for more and more control over the global system at the cost to all. You don't realize it, but I promise you, that is exactly what you are doing.

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Gill

Yeah, you're right. It's the evil U.S. that's responsible for all the world's ills. We are forcing those poor people in China and India to work for us and building all those factories in both countries to make them work for slave wages.

By the way, how's the pollution there today? Can you breath? Can you see things more than a 1/8 mile away through the smog??

You admit living in the most polluted and polluting country in the world and have the nerve to complain about the U.S.????

Tell the Chinese and Indians to stop making the cheap crap they produce and while you're at it, tell them to stop putting poison in our food and medicines. There's a huge scandal right now about Chinese drywall that is making people sick in Florida and Louisiana. Go protest the poison they're sending here if you're so concerned about the health and well-being of the world.... that is unless you think us horrible Americans have it coming to us for being so greedy.

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