jfuh

In contrast to 20 years ago? You bet.

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Why can you not honestly post the temps of the last hundred years gill? Want to gamble what next year will be like?
If next year is hotter than this year does will you admit that you've been wrong? No you're more than likly going to be saying well one year doesn't counter 5 years.
Same thing here, 5 years of minor insignificant cooler temps does not in any way invalidate over a hundred years of warming.

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ummm, could it be that I was discussing the last 5 years and not the last hundred years??

sure

if next year is cooler, will you admit you've been wrong??

Gavin Schmidt at realclimate has already admitted that 13 years of cooling will be significant and cast doubt on AGW theory. Do you agree with him??

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Gill

Maybe I'm having trouble reading this, but where exactly does the Hadley Centre state in your quote that the trend of the last five years is not cooling??

OR, maybe you'd be so kind as to show us all which data points on the graph I posted are incorrect.

Does Algore eat meat??

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Middleground

Why do you refer to Al Gore as Algore? I've seen it before, and I don't understand. Is it a Freeper/talking points thing?

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Gill

No, it's simply a takeoff on Marty Feldman's character in Young Frankenstein.

His name was Igor, which he pronounced 'eye' gore. Al Gore's eyes start bugging out like Feldman's when he gets crazy talking about AGW.

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jfuh

It seems rediculous to only be mentioning the last 5 years with complete disregard to the patterns of the last hundred years and then claim that there's cooling. You wouldn't happen to still be stuck in the 70's would you?
But since you love to do this sort of thing, please by all means show me what the 5 year trend in the last 50 years has been and where that trend is today in relationship to the last 50 years.

Great I wager that 2009 will be far warmer globally than 2008

No, of course not why would I do that? 6 years still does not establish a trend, now if it continues for a decade there might be something there but still does not draw away from the evidence of AGW as is. I have over a hundred years to back up mine and you don't admit to anything.
Even today you still have never been able to answer on this board in plain text what your position is exactly on AGW.

I agree it would be significant and there would be doubt cast on AGW but not because the science says so, rather the politics would say so.
However as much as you are trying to spin this into something about cooling, that's not what will happen next year. Next year will be undoubtedly be warmer than this year because there is no La Nina next year.

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Once again, I'm only saying that the last five years have trended cooler, nothing more, nothing less.

Great, I'll be waiting on an admission from you in 14 months.

Then I guess I won't agree that any warming will continue indefinitely if it turns out warmer next year.

I've stated my position on GW several times.

We shall see.

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jfuh

Actually no you never have. But if you have, why not state it here for the record just one more time.

You're already giving yourself an exit strategy in the red statement above. You're still not going to admit anything ever - but at least that is the honesty.
You're so wrapped up in your conspiracy theory that you believe it to be the only truth and reject the science.
You have 5 years of minor insignificant cooler temperatures that are a result of severely decreased sun spot activity (11 year cycle) and a La Nina year this year - wow what a surprise it got cooler this year. And because of this to be expected cooling you're jumping the gun and claiming despite the 100+ years of warming it's all crap because these last 5 years have been cooler than 2002.
What you fail to recognize is it's still warmer than the baseline before the Industrial revolution despite solar and oceanic activities.

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They didn't say global temps haven't fallen. But be serious. You didn't mean "we're cooling" as in "we're in a period of low solar activity and a La Nina", but in "AGW is a scam and Al Gore is a poopie head".

Sorry, but the scientists working for our government still disagree with you. They made that clear in the first two sentences:
'Course, I'm sure they're being forced to say that, lest Al Gore eat their children and Dubya stop funding them.

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